Disagree. The GT-R's chassis is a generation ahead of the 997's.

 

lol....yah, front engined with a 10 ft driveshaft and nearly 4000lbs is light years ahead. But your right in playstation it is for sure

 

Drive one and see for yourself.

 

Trommel, can you please show me which track you drove on with both the GTR and the 997tt, and how much faster you were. Also can you please tell me your background in racing and with what cars? thanks

 

I'm not a racing driver, have never claimed to be one and I certainly don't need to be one to know if a car is good.

I drove the GT-R on Silverstone National. It wasn't timed.

The GT-R carries huge speed through the corners, is incredibly stable at speed, has awesome traction, very little turbo lag and the gearbox is great to use.

That is a first-hand observation and is infinitely more relevant than any statistic about race wins, performance figure or calculation thrown around on here.

 

Agree with all of that (including ugly face). I think the "less turbo lag" is a combo of less lag and better low-end grunt (even off boost).

Both are great cars and lots of fun. Although I love the gadget factor of the DC/PDK-- and it is DEFINITELY faster than human shifts-- I still enjoy manual shifting.

Even though GT-R is a fat beast, and you feel the heft on the freeway, it somehow feels just as responsive/nimble in the backroad twisties.

 

Trommel, that is my point and you proved it for me. I do not disagree with your impression of the GTR. If you had driven a 997tt you might still be faster in the GTR, but you are not a pro in either car and thus cannot get the max out of them. Again, you disagreed with me without having the knowledge.

really the only way to do this is for a porsche rep to go buy a GTR at a dealer. then a Nissan rep to go buy a 997tt at a dealer, both witnessed by the other, then nissan gets the best GTR driver they can find and porsche does the same and they go at it...

 

How very sanctimonious.

Every comparison to date has proven the GT-R to be faster around a track than a 997 Turbo. Were they all rigged?

 

Think maybe there is a reason Porsche hasn’t put a double clutch auto box into the turbo yet? Maybe for a reason such as reliability? The fact that you only get one gearbox choice in these two cars is because the manufacturer realizes they are not going to reach their goals with the car if they do other wise. The Goal of either going fast, or going fast reliably has so far been the difference. The new gtr can really be seen as a 996 in terms of its development (ala first water cooled). It is the first “GT-R” to have a v6 and an automatic gearbox. There are going to be problems. There is a reason that manufactures like Honda, and Toyota do not try to directly compete with a company like Porsche, at least in terms of streetcars. These companies proved their worth on racing and building reliable commuter cars. When the average Nissan being sold costs what 30-40K and you start to offer a 911 beater for twice that average, really makes you wonder. I know this car is amazing, but the fact that it doesn’t have an inline and a real gearbox is very off putting. If it was my money down on the table I would defiantly shy away, at least until it proves to be reliable and someone makes a body kit for it that looks like less of a dog. I’m glad that thing is fast, because I wouldn’t want to be seen driving it from a looks perspective. Nissan built a car with 0 constraints. Porsche built a car with a flawed rear engine design, and what they have done with that car I find to be far more amazing then what Nissan has done!

 

Whether you like it or not, DSG-style gearboxes are the future.

Why on earth would you be put off by it not having an inline engine?

 

Would you buy a Porsche with a 4 banger? Nissan, BMW, Toyota and many others cut their teeth in the sports car market with I6 1000hp monsters that would hold up to anything. If you don’t respect that then I just don’t know what to tell you. Just to hear one of those inlines rip up into revs is a reaffirming experience for any petrol head. I have a freshly built computer that I can put wheels on and you can ride down a hill if tech stuff really gets you off. Rude and crude could be terms used to describe those older cars, but they just as fast or faster then any of this fresh off the CAD stuff.

 

you are correct, your comments are sanctimonious as well. read my comments again, you know very little about anything

 

another pipe dreamer. Did you know that an F1 engine has almost nothing in common with a regular engine you see in a street car. Did you know that, F1 engines cannot even run without proper heating of the block and liquids because it is basically fused together? At least in LeMans, where Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, Audi, race, the engines are closer to what is being driven on the street and the technology is more transferable. Don't get me wrong, I love F1 cars and the sound they make.

I'd rather have a car who's technology is directly transfered to my platform from racing and the brand cut it's teeth on endurance racing, like LeMans. Talk all you want, but the engine in my car is basically the engine that has won LeMans outright more times than any other sports car street engine in history and the platform that my car is based on has more class wins than any other platform in history. Sorry but there is more develpment behind the 911's platform than the GTR could ever dream of having.

 

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Originally Posted by 19000rpm

Nissan built a car with 0 constraints. Porsche built a car with a flawed rear engine design, and what they have done with that car I find to be far more amazing then what Nissan has done!

I think we are in agreement on that point.

F1 cars push the limits of design constraint, without them we probably would have taken a brake design originally built for the Concorde and have adapted and developed them for motor sport. Without that we probably wouldn’t have companies producing pccb components to the quality we see today. You can argue motor sports relation to everyday drivers all you want. The thing is you can argue it either way, its just how you perceive it. You can say a rsr and the carrera are very closely related. Or that the NSX racing in the JGTC can trace it roots to your street car. It’s all about advertising. This is the same sentiment that people claim the glories of Porsche and racing purely to the 911. Its just not so. When it comes down to it its all about profit and paying the bills.

 

19000rpm-

F1 produces great technology, only some of which eventually 'trickles down' to street cars.

On the other hand, the same basic M96 engine in my 911s have the longest winning streak in endurance racing of any streetable block.

To compare wins at Le Mans to the All-Japan Grand Touring Car Championship is absurd.