997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#1681
11-16-2008, 11:45 AM
I think we are in agreement on that point.
F1 cars push the limits of design constraint, without them we probably would have taken a brake design originally built for the Concorde and have adapted and developed them for motor sport. Without that we probably wouldn’t have companies producing pccb components to the quality we see today. You can argue motor sports relation to everyday drivers all you want. The thing is you can argue it either way, its just how you perceive it. You can say a rsr and the carrera are very closely related. Or that the NSX racing in the JGTC can trace it roots to your street car. It’s all about advertising. This is the same sentiment that people claim the glories of Porsche and racing purely to the 911. Its just not so. When it comes down to it its all about profit and paying the bills.
blah, blah blah, you haven't said crap...and your wrong
The 911 has won more races than any car you will put on the list. Prove me wrong and you can't
#1682
11-16-2008, 11:51 AM
The 911 hasn’t been competing against other manufactures until now, just more 911’s. Only until recently have they actually had to really compete and because of this they have been entering into easier to win classes.
On the jgtc thing, you are missing the point, which is I’m guessing why people on this thread love to argue all the way to over 1600 posts. I was comparing racecars to streetcars! Therefore I could have used nascar for an example.
On the jgtc thing, you are missing the point, which is I’m guessing why people on this thread love to argue all the way to over 1600 posts. I was comparing racecars to streetcars! Therefore I could have used nascar for an example.
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#1683
11-16-2008, 12:00 PM
I am sure this is likely the most ignorant post I have seen yet. Oh, no, the 911 has not been competing against anything until now.
No, not Ferrari since the 70's, Ford, McLaren, Mercedes, BMW, Maserati and many more. Ever heard of the BMW M3? Talk about another extremely succesful platform, the M3. that little straight 6 is a monster. Before you open your mouth please do some research as your comment is retarded. LeMans is probably the most historic racing event on the planet and the series is monumental.
#1684
11-16-2008, 12:05 PM
Think maybe there is a reason Porsche hasn’t put a double clutch auto box into the turbo yet? Maybe for a reason such as reliability? The fact that you only get one gearbox choice in these two cars is because the manufacturer realizes they are not going to reach their goals with the car if they do other wise. The Goal of either going fast, or going fast reliably has so far been the difference. The new gtr can really be seen as a 996 in terms of its development (ala first water cooled). It is the first “GT-R” to have a v6 and an automatic gearbox. There are going to be problems. There is a reason that manufactures like Honda, and Toyota do not try to directly compete with a company like Porsche, at least in terms of streetcars. These companies proved their worth on racing and building reliable commuter cars. When the average Nissan being sold costs what 30-40K and you start to offer a 911 beater for twice that average, really makes you wonder. I know this car is amazing, but the fact that it doesn’t have an inline and a real gearbox is very off putting. If it was my money down on the table I would defiantly shy away, at least until it proves to be reliable and someone makes a body kit for it that looks like less of a dog. I’m glad that thing is fast, because I wouldn’t want to be seen driving it from a looks perspective. Nissan built a car with 0 constraints. Porsche built a car with a flawed rear engine design, and what they have done with that car I find to be far more amazing then what Nissan has done!
One bit of advice, if you can, drive the GTR and i gurantee that your perception of it will change. Afterwards i don't think you'll think so highly of an inline 6 anymore. RB26...what?
Also remember that this isn't Nissan's first high performance car, so they've 'been there, done that' already. Do some research on the R32 GTR and see what you can come up.
And, the ATTESA-ETS awd system on the GTR is regarded by many as the most advanced awd system in the world. Something for you to chew on.
Finally, what's the dribble on "911 not competing against other manufacturers until now" comment? You've just crawled out of a cave or something?
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#1685
11-16-2008, 12:20 PM
Hmm. The E30 M3 is the one with the competition pedigree, and that has a four-cylinder S14 in it.
#1686
11-16-2008, 12:23 PM
Would you buy a Porsche with a 4 banger? Nissan, BMW, Toyota and many others cut their teeth in the sports car market with I6 1000hp monsters that would hold up to anything. If you don’t respect that then I just don’t know what to tell you. Just to hear one of those inlines rip up into revs is a reaffirming experience for any petrol head. I have a freshly built computer that I can put wheels on and you can ride down a hill if tech stuff really gets you off. Rude and crude could be terms used to describe those older cars, but they just as fast or faster then any of this fresh off the CAD stuff.
#1687
11-16-2008, 12:23 PM
#1688
11-16-2008, 12:23 PM
DSG, PDK...it's the way of the future. Get use to it. I understand why you dislike the GTR with its new engine and transmission - it's just human nature to be afraid of change.
One bit of advice, if you can, drive the GTR and i gurantee that your perception of it will change. Afterwards i don't think you'll think so highly of an inline 6 anymore. RB26...what?
One bit of advice, if you can, drive the GTR and i gurantee that your perception of it will change. Afterwards i don't think you'll think so highly of an inline 6 anymore. RB26...what?
Don't dismiss the RB26, it's still a great engine (I've had two RB26s, one RB26 stroked to 2.8 and, currently, an RB26/30 hybrid). Emissions and packaging are what killed it.
#1689
11-16-2008, 12:25 PM
You are calling me ignorant and telling me to think before I type. Are you not the one that completely missed the point I made of the 911 being a superior car from a developmental standpoint? I’m not going to argue directly with you over how the 911 doesn’t compete against anything. From a racing standpoint the 911 is slow because the engine is in the wrong place!!! That is why it is run in the slower classes mainly against other 911’s. Another point I made about all of this is Ignorant people that buy into the Porsche marketing scheme is that the 911 the be all end all of racing.
OK you want to talk about IGNORANT. Back then in the 70’s they weren’t even racing the 911 against the manufactures you listed, it was mid engined prototypes like the 917. Why don’t you get your facts straight before you go on a forum and start criticizing people in such a hypocritical way. You are prime example of why Porsche marketing is so good. You think the 911 is the basis for Porsche racing. Back when Porsche was racing, as in factory effort, they raced mid engined prototypes, not the 911.
OK you want to talk about IGNORANT. Back then in the 70’s they weren’t even racing the 911 against the manufactures you listed, it was mid engined prototypes like the 917. Why don’t you get your facts straight before you go on a forum and start criticizing people in such a hypocritical way. You are prime example of why Porsche marketing is so good. You think the 911 is the basis for Porsche racing. Back when Porsche was racing, as in factory effort, they raced mid engined prototypes, not the 911.
#1690
11-16-2008, 12:27 PM
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[quote=19000rpm;2137643]The 911 hasn’t been competing against other manufactures until now, just more 911’s. Only until recently have they actually had to really compete and because of this they have been entering into easier to win series.
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Holy cow! Stupidest post I've ever read on 6blingonline.
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Holy cow! Stupidest post I've ever read on 6blingonline.
#1692
11-16-2008, 12:32 PM
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Rep Power: 214 You are calling me ignorant and telling me to think before I type. Are you not the one that completely missed the point I made of the 911 being a superior car from a developmental standpoint? I’m not going to argue directly with you over how the 911 doesn’t compete against anything. From a racing standpoint the 911 is slow because the engine is in the wrong place!!! That is why it is run in the slower classes mainly against other 911’s. Another point I made about all of this is Ignorant people that buy into the Porsche marketing scheme is that the 911 the be all end all of racing.
OK you want to talk about IGNORANT. Back then in the 70’s they weren’t even racing the 911 against the manufactures you listed, it was mid engined prototypes like the 917. Why don’t you get your facts straight before you go on a forum and start criticizing people in such a hypocritical way. You are prime example of why Porsche marketing is so good. You think the 911 is the basis for Porsche racing. Back when Porsche was racing, as in factory effort, they raced mid engined prototypes, not the 911.
OK you want to talk about IGNORANT. Back then in the 70’s they weren’t even racing the 911 against the manufactures you listed, it was mid engined prototypes like the 917. Why don’t you get your facts straight before you go on a forum and start criticizing people in such a hypocritical way. You are prime example of why Porsche marketing is so good. You think the 911 is the basis for Porsche racing. Back when Porsche was racing, as in factory effort, they raced mid engined prototypes, not the 911.
#1693
11-16-2008, 12:33 PM
We already beat this to death in the NW forum.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...boxster-6.html
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...boxster-6.html
#1694
11-16-2008, 12:40 PM
You are calling me ignorant and telling me to think before I type. Are you not the one that completely missed the point I made of the 911 being a superior car from a developmental standpoint? I’m not going to argue directly with you over how the 911 doesn’t compete against anything. From a racing standpoint the 911 is slow because the engine is in the wrong place!!! That is why it is run in the slower classes mainly against other 911’s. Another point I made about all of this is Ignorant people that buy into the Porsche marketing scheme is that the 911 the be all end all of racing.
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What is more outdated, a front engine design dating back to the steam engine or a rear engine design the rewrote the book many years ago and was the reason for most mid engine designs
#1695
11-16-2008, 12:41 PM