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Old 12-01-2008, 06:14 PM
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You guys are going to laugh, but I actually have a Panamera on order as well-- although the bubble butt is giving me pause. I guess I go for the inner beauty....

Maybe I'll get an award for Ugliest Stable
Congrats! I like it's looks. Geez, chrisn, I've always heard that the one who dies with the most toys wins. I believe you have most, if not all of us beat!
 
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Originally Posted by chrisn
Most of the "it's faster than GT2" claims are based on times from diff drivers on diff days. Most head-to-head (same driver / same track / same day) are versus the Turbo, and GT-R always wins. Those are the tests that I trust (in aggregate, averaging out for all the one-off weirdness that HC likes to talk about).

In VERY skilled hands, around most tracks, I think the GT2 should be faster than GT-R.

I suspect, however, that if you randomly selected 100 Porsche owners from 6SPeed and gave them a day in the GT2 on track and a day in the GT-R on track, that 90% would be faster in the GT-R--- plus you'd probably end up with a few wrecked GT2s.
Not true. Wheels magazine did a test with the GTR vs GT2 and use the same driver. The driver wasn't no journal either - he is a professional race driver who races in the Australian touring car championship. Anyway, he had extensive experience in the GT2 before but had never driven the GTR. On his second lap in the GTR on the Willow springs race track - he bet his personal best time in the GT2 by more than 2 secs. Everyone who was watching, including himself was in awe.
Both cars were driven by the same driver, on the same day and the track was dry.
 
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You made up half of that paragraph. The guy was a rally driver, the test was in Australia, not willow springs, on a dusty track, and the guy did not have extensive experience in a GT2.

Could you be any more desperate?

The fact is that the GT2 is substantially faster, period, point blank. And no matter how many random tests pop up with biased media (which we know is huge in Australia for the GT-R, though they try to act differently), beating a GT2, everyone knows the true story.
 
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Nissan won't be releasing any Spec V N-ring times, and now the disillusionment from even the most ardent GTR proponents is starting to reveal itself:

in any case, im saddened by nissans attempt to fool buyers by using just nurinburgring times. other track times are improved as shown, but only marginal for such a huge leap in price. who needs those carbon ceramics if the spec-v is going to overheat anyways... see the point.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
You made up half of that paragraph. The guy was a rally driver, the test was in Australia, not willow springs, on a dusty track, and the guy did not have extensive experience in a GT2.

Could you be any more desperate?

The fact is that the GT2 is substantially faster, period, point blank. And no matter how many random tests pop up with biased media (which we know is huge in Australia for the GT-R, though they try to act differently), beating a GT2, everyone knows the true story.
So first it's the American media that is biased towards the GTR, then it's the UK media, and now it's the Australian media? What's next - the whole world?
Okay, so i made a mistake - it was tested in Australia by a rally driver. But the fact remains that he is a professional driver and he had experience in the GT2 before. And the fact still remains that the GTR beat the GT2 by more than 2 secs on the same track, same day, same driver. What makes the caning more remarkable was the fact that the GT2 was a prep car provided by Porsche, and the GTR was a privately owned import. Must've been a ringer eh?

Oh by the way, wheels magazine in Australia has always had a soft spot for Porsches. Porsches have been winning their 'performance car of the year' tests nearly every single year. So don't go around saying that the Australian magazines are biased towards the GTR.
 
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Can you leave your computer seat for a moment, take a breath and get a GTR before you post again?
 
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Originally Posted by Quacker
So first it's the American media that is biased towards the GTR, then it's the UK media, and now it's the Australian media? What's next - the whole world?
Okay, so i made a mistake - it was tested in Australia by a rally driver. But the fact remains that he is a professional driver and he had experience in the GT2 before. And the fact still remains that the GTR beat the GT2 by more than 2 secs on the same track, same day, same driver. What makes the caning more remarkable was the fact that the GT2 was a prep car provided by Porsche, and the GTR was a privately owned import. Must've been a ringer eh?

Oh by the way, wheels magazine in Australia has always had a soft spot for Porsches. Porsches have been winning their 'performance car of the year' tests nearly every single year. So don't go around saying that the Australian magazines are biased towards the GTR.
The test results speak for themselves.

The UK -> Evo, Autocar and Car magazine for reasons I've stated
Japan -> Best Motoring for reasons we all know
US-> C&D lying on trap speeds and inserting Tony swan at the lightning lap, R&T with Steve Millens garbage


You can pick your isolated rally test from Australia, but the fact is, in unbiased testing the GT-R has been getting romped. It's not on the same level, PERIOD. So hang your hat on that remote island test while everyone is watching Nissan get bashed for getting raped at the ring while also caught in another lie.



and oh yeah, go buy one before you talk, "I've driven one around the block" doesnt qualify you to talk.
 
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Originally Posted by ALPINE_997
Can you leave your computer seat for a moment, take a breath and get a GTR before you post again?

c'mon man QuaCKer/porsherboy is only 11 years old, give him a break. He's already driven the GTR at PS2 speeds you can only dream of.
 
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c'mon man QuaCKer/porsherboy is only 11 years old, give him a break. He's already driven the GTR at PS2 speeds you can only dream of.
my Bad my Bad. In light of the holiday spirits I will keep quiet

I bet the PS2/3 version drifts the GTR and GT3 around the track like a ****...
 
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Originally Posted by Quacker
So first it's the American media that is biased towards the GTR, then it's the UK media, and now it's the Australian media? What's next - the whole world?
Okay, so i made a mistake - it was tested in Australia by a rally driver. But the fact remains that he is a professional driver and he had experience in the GT2 before. And the fact still remains that the GTR beat the GT2 by more than 2 secs on the same track, same day, same driver. What makes the caning more remarkable was the fact that the GT2 was a prep car provided by Porsche, and the GTR was a privately owned import. Must've been a ringer eh?

Oh by the way, wheels magazine in Australia has always had a soft spot for Porsches. Porsches have been winning their 'performance car of the year' tests nearly every single year. So don't go around saying that the Australian magazines are biased towards the GTR.
Wasnt gentlemen Jim Richards a previous Nissan GTR factory driver? His car and his driving was the reason the GTR got the nickname Godzilla. Also isnt Jim Richards a retired 60+uyear old driver way past his due by date?
 
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What about when a newbie driver in a GTR beat the Legendary Jim Richards in his Porsche GT2 to win the Quit Targa Tasmania road rally in Australia?
Richards has been dominating for the past 10 years or so in his Posches, but along came the GTR and......
A sea of DNF for the GTR R35


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<TABLE class=noborder><TBODY><TR><TH class=noborder align=left>Dvr: </TH><TH class=noborder align=left>Jim Richards - VIC</TH></TR><TR><TH class=noborder align=left>Co-Dvr: </TH><TH class=noborder align=left>Barry Oliver - Tas</TH></TR><TR><TH class=noborder align=left>Veh: </TH><TH class=noborder align=left>2008 Porsche 911 GT2</TH></TR><TR><TH class=noborder align=left>Class: </TH><TH class=noborder align=left>CM14</TH></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=bordered cellSpacing=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width="48%">Stage

</TD><TD align=middle width="20%">Penalty</TD><TD align=middle width="20%">Base</TD><TD align=middle width="12%">Pos</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS0 Prologue</TD><TD align=middle>03:16.64 </TD><TD align=middle>00:00.00</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS1 Entally</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>04:30</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS2 Deloraine</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>==== </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>06:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS3 Reedy Marsh</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>03:00</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS4 Paradise</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>==== </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>07:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS5 </TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=middle></TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS6 Hartford</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:05 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS7 Frankford</TD><TD align=middle>00:06 </TD><TD align=middle>03:30</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS8 Kayena</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:01 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>03:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=5</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS9 Beaconsfield</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>02:30</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS10 The Sideling</TD><TD align=middle>01:23 </TD><TD align=middle>06:30</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS11 Legerwood</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>==== </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS12 Moorina</TD><TD align=middle>00:32 </TD><TD align=middle>03:30</TD><TD align=middle>=4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS13 Weldborough Pass Long</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>01:01 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>06:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>5</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS14 Pyengana</TD><TD align=middle>00:16 </TD><TD align=middle>03:00</TD><TD align=middle>=6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS15 Elephant Saddle</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>01:04 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>05:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>5</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS16 Rossarden</TD><TD align=middle>00:02 </TD><TD align=middle>05:30</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS17 Longford</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>==== </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>03:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS18 High Plains</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>02:00</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS19 Dunorlan</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>==== </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>04:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS20 Merseylea</TD><TD align=middle>00:27 </TD><TD align=middle>04:30</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS21 Devonport City</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>==== </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS22 Paloona</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>07:30</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS23 Mt Claude</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>==== </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>04:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS24 Liena</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>05:00</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS25 Caveside</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:12 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=4</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS26 Mole Creek</TD><TD align=middle>00:08 </TD><TD align=middle>02:00</TD><TD align=middle>=3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS27 Cethana</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:14 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>17:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>3</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS28 Gunns Plains</TD><TD align=middle>00:35 </TD><TD align=middle>07:00</TD><TD align=middle>=6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS29 South Riana</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:03 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>11:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>5</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS30 Hellyer Gorge</TD><TD align=middle>00:50 </TD><TD align=middle>07:00</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS31 Bastyan Dam</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:04 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=3</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS32 Reece Dam</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>13:30</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS33 Strahan</TD><TD align=middle>00:17 </TD><TD align=middle>15:30</TD><TD align=middle>13</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS34 Queenstown</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>01:02 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>03:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=5</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS35 Mt Arrowsmith</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>21:30</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS36 Tungatinah</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:23 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>04:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=13</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS37 Risdon Brook</TD><TD align=middle>00:21 </TD><TD align=middle>03:00</TD><TD align=middle>=6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS38 Hobart</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>==== </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>01:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>




<TABLE class=noborder><TBODY><TR><TH class=noborder align=left>Dvr: </TH><TH class=noborder align=left>Tony Alford - QLD</TH></TR><TR><TH class=noborder align=left>Co-Dvr: </TH><TH class=noborder align=left>Karl Farmer - QLD</TH></TR><TR><TH class=noborder align=left>Veh: </TH><TH class=noborder align=left>2007 Nissan GTR R35</TH></TR><TR><TH class=noborder align=left>Class: </TH><TH class=noborder align=left>CM14</TH></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Nissan GTR R35
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Hartford</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:16 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=14</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS7 Frankford</TD><TD align=middle>00:26 </TD><TD align=middle>03:30</TD><TD align=middle>=26</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS8 Kayena</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>00:18 </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>03:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>=40</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS9 Beaconsfield</TD><TD align=middle>==== </TD><TD align=middle>02:30</TD><TD align=middle>=1</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS10 The Sideling</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>06:30</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS11 Legerwood</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS12 Moorina</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>03:30</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS13 Weldborough Pass Long</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>06:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS14 Pyengana</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>03:00</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS15 Elephant Saddle</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>05:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS16 Rossarden</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>05:30</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS17 Longford</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>03:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS18 High Plains</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>02:00</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS19 Dunorlan</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>04:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS20 Merseylea</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>04:30</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS21 Devonport City</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS22 Paloona</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>07:30</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS23 Mt Claude</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>04:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS24 Liena</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>05:00</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS25 Caveside</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS26 Mole Creek</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>02:00</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS27 Cethana</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>17:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS28 Gunns Plains</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>07:00</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS29 South Riana</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>11:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS30 Hellyer Gorge</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>07:00</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS31 Bastyan Dam</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>02:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS32 Reece Dam</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>13:30</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS33 Strahan</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>15:30</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS34 Queenstown</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>03:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS35 Mt Arrowsmith</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>21:30</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS36 Tungatinah</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>04:00</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD>TS37 Risdon Brook</TD><TD align=middle>DNF </TD><TD align=middle>03:00</TD><TD align=middle>Inc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=hlight>TS38 Hobart</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>DNF </TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>01:30</TD><TD class=hlight align=middle>Inc</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:25 PM
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:41 PM
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Monarocountry, you conveniently left out the REAL reason that the GTR DNF was the fact that it had blown one of it's Bridgestone tires and could not find a replacement. Because the rules prevented them from running different tires, the team had to retire the car.
All this biggering is getting nowhere. I provide legite anti-bias info, whereas the rest of you anti-GTR guys change, manipulate, exaggerate and create disparaging info on the GTR. Who ever said that 'cheaters never win' are absolutely wrong in this case.
At the end of the day, i can guarantee that any of you will be faster on the track in a GTR than in a turbo or GT2. And that is what counts.
 
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