997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#2416
12-19-2008, 06:47 AM
now 9 minutes is a very good car. What stage is this?
Also at the recent Road Atlanta testing the fastest laps were turned by the GTR with stock power and aftermarket coilovers - reportedly at least 5s faster than the power modded GTR with stock suspension (1:32 vs 1:37 estimated). That doesn't make the Hockenheim test look very impressive, especially since far more 997tt owners have switched to aggressive alignment specs and Bilstein coilovers
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Also at the recent Road Atlanta testing the fastest laps were turned by the GTR with stock power and aftermarket coilovers - reportedly at least 5s faster than the power modded GTR with stock suspension (1:32 vs 1:37 estimated). That doesn't make the Hockenheim test look very impressive, especially since far more 997tt owners have switched to aggressive alignment specs and Bilstein coilovers
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12-19-2008, 06:51 AM
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#2420
12-19-2008, 07:38 AM
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#2424
12-19-2008, 08:26 AM
Clearly missing the point.
Let me steal a phrase from you..."Do you need me to explain it to you? Perhaps another member on here will do the honour, i don't have time to waste."
For someone who attempts to be scholarly and logical, you have missed the point. Pwned again....
Let me steal a phrase from you..."Do you need me to explain it to you? Perhaps another member on here will do the honour, i don't have time to waste."
For someone who attempts to be scholarly and logical, you have missed the point. Pwned again....
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12-19-2008, 08:54 AM
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#2426
12-19-2008, 09:26 AM
I really haven't read any of the mags that proclaimed the GTR "COTY", but I was wondering if, when they present the 0-60 mph and quarter mile times they do so using launch control. If they do, then the honor is based on a sham. If they start talking about the ring times, then we are really talking about a dubious honor.
#2427
12-19-2008, 09:44 AM
I wish I were man enough to track a 6GT3-- clearly a better track car and learning platform versus the GT-R or Turbo (or much of anything else). But is that the point?
GT-R / Turbo are GT-style touring cars that are a blend of daily drivability, highway grunt and great handling. The GT-R skeptics/haters too often try to redefine the debate in racing terms and compare the GT-R against street legal track cars (GT3). I think this is misguided.
In addition, everyday I am more and more convinced that the LC / Tranny "issue" is WAY overblown. Feels like a very small number of isolated incidents. Although I don't intend to do it often, I am personally comfortable doing an LC now and then when car is properly warmed up, etc.
Guys: these are TOYS for us, not TOOLS. The only thing that should matter is FUN. If you are rational, you should also care about FUN per Dollar.
If money is no object for you (if true, please PayPal me any excess you might have), and it is more fun for you to drive a more expensive car with a certain badge and "racing pedigree" then go for it. No hard feelings.
Personally, the GT-R is about as fun for me to drive as the Turbo, and about as fast-- and costs half as much. That should count for something.
If the GT-R and Turbo were the same price, no one would buy the GT-R. How can we ignore the amazing value?
-Chris
GT-R / Turbo are GT-style touring cars that are a blend of daily drivability, highway grunt and great handling. The GT-R skeptics/haters too often try to redefine the debate in racing terms and compare the GT-R against street legal track cars (GT3). I think this is misguided.
In addition, everyday I am more and more convinced that the LC / Tranny "issue" is WAY overblown. Feels like a very small number of isolated incidents. Although I don't intend to do it often, I am personally comfortable doing an LC now and then when car is properly warmed up, etc.
Guys: these are TOYS for us, not TOOLS. The only thing that should matter is FUN. If you are rational, you should also care about FUN per Dollar.
If money is no object for you (if true, please PayPal me any excess you might have), and it is more fun for you to drive a more expensive car with a certain badge and "racing pedigree" then go for it. No hard feelings.
Personally, the GT-R is about as fun for me to drive as the Turbo, and about as fast-- and costs half as much. That should count for something.
If the GT-R and Turbo were the same price, no one would buy the GT-R. How can we ignore the amazing value?
-Chris
#2428
12-19-2008, 09:59 AM
GT-R / Turbo are GT-style touring cars that are a blend of daily drivability, highway grunt and great handling. The GT-R skeptics/haters too often try to redefine the debate in racing terms and compare the GT-R against street legal track cars (GT3). I think this is misguided.
Furthermore, the argument was pushed forth when Nissan reports unbelievable track times in an attempt to stir up more fanfare and praise for the GT-R...the GT-R not only is a better car than the TT, but it can "out track" the GT3 and GT2 in its element.
To suggest the GT-R "skeptics/haters" are redefining the argument is inaccurate. And now that the true evidence is out there, we find fanboys backtracking to defend the GT-R. As more time goes on, and real life experiences are reported, we'll find the truth - the GT-R can't be compared to the GT3 or GT2...at best, the 997TT.
And on another note...it snowed 13 inches today, and I took my TT out for a spin. That's a true daily driver.
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12-19-2008, 10:00 AM
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I think people would still buy the GT-R if it and the Turbo were the same price. Heck and the rate of increased MSRP on the GT-R that could be the case soon than we think.
The GT3 is a road car that's excellent on the track. Not a race car. Just like the aims of the Corvette and GT-R.
The GT3 is a road car that's excellent on the track. Not a race car. Just like the aims of the Corvette and GT-R.
#2430
12-19-2008, 11:22 AM
IMO... this whole problem lays at Nissan's feet !!!
They "hyped" a four passanger upscale coupe into being something it clearly is NOT !!!The fanbois JUMP all over the GT-R's hype... only to see knowledgable people questioning the GT-R's published capabilities !!!
Nissan first takes a RINGER to Nurburgring... and after months of effort, reports a ~ 7:38 lap time. Within weeks, Nissan's PR is back touting the fabled ~7:29 lap for the GT-R.
Nissan's PR then sold the magazine testers a "Bill of Goods", encouraging them to test 1/4 mile times using " LC " !!! Nissan doesn't bother to tell the writers that using LC & turning off DVC would likely void the warranty. Nissan only wanted the "Times" !!!
As I see it, Nissan used the press.... to advertise claims that are Clearly False !!!
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