"4 or 5 Nurburgring tests"? Who? Where?

Facts please.

 

Look for it!!!!!

Im not here to spoon feed people.

 

No, you're seemingly here to spout nonsense.

 

Again look for it, you dont even have to look at other forums and other sites. All has been posted in 6speedonline. Dont be lazy!!

 

Synchzilla: I have an E60 M5 and will compare it to the GT-R for you: there is no comparison. I do, however, agree that price should be part of this debate (or cluster-f, or whatever it is).

For instance, I think you could make a decent case why, for similar money, someone might prefer a 987.2 Cayman S w/ PDK over the GT-R. Cayman is probably a better track car and no one really uses those 2+2 seats in the GT-R or 911 anyway. Certainly Cayman is better looking.

Of course, on the highway, twisties and the track, the GT-R will still smoke the Cayman-- but some people don't care. There's always someone faster/better out there.

Another thing about this thread that is tiresome: shouldn't we care more about THE TRUE FACTS AS THEY EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD instead of who said what, when and why and whether what they said was or was not embellished.

Did Nissan stretch (or break) the truth in the marketing of the GT-R? I don't know, there is certainly some circumstantial evidence of that. You know what? I don't care. The car is what it is and should be judged accordingly.

Are there really people out there who would have bought a GT-R based on the TRUE STATS but decided not to because of prior Nissan exaggerations?

If Porsche had claimed the 997TT did a 7:30 'Ring time, and no one believed them, would people start selling their TTs or not buy one?

If Nissan lied, that's obviously a factor, but the car is what it is.

 

chrisn, I have a couple of issues with your posts.

Why should we listen to you, just because you have first-hand objective experience of both a GT-R and a TT?

Surely, for a fair and balanced perspective we should be listening to heavychevy (who has never driven the car, never will drive the car and believes that every word that has ever been written about it by any journalist anywhere is a fabrication) and monaroCounty (who I suspect is still of school age).

Fanboi.

 

hey dont disrespect heavy man, he knows what he's talking about. He READ all about it!!!

 

I guess not, because the mags are already calling the new Cayman with PDK and DFI the best sports car in the world. At least 3 mags so far. So, the GTR doesn't measure up to it. We have also already been over several times how the GTR is not such a bargain after all on this thread.

 

Just because I am dumb enough to blow a bunch of money on cars doesn't make my opinion carry any extra weight. I am just offering my thoughts for consideration. Like I said above, I am just trying to have fun with my cars-- I don't have an axe to grind.

-Chris

 

Well, arent you the little politician. I think the people who read the threads can decide for themselves who to listen to, but there is overwhelming evidence that Chris' posts arent so nuetral in their objectivity, and that you are a troll.

I'm sorry but Porsche drivers want to hear from guys with skill, and Chris being slower in both the GT-R and modded turbo than a 996 on hoosiers and a 996 TT on 300 treadware tires isnt going to sway the masses. Combine that with his obvious preferance for the GT-R, and admitted intimidation by the TT and he certainly wont have many fans on a forum FULL OF 911 OWNERS......

I think we can tell how many people are listening to you by your reputation.

Meanwhile heavychevy is running as fast in traffic at a DE in a 996 TT as Pro drivers and some of the best amatuer drivers in GT-R's on a rented private track day with give or take an equal level of mods. I guess you'll contend that I'm better than the pro guy in a 600 hp GT-R with coilovers and aero? Tough luck with that one. So you'll have to forgive some of the people here if they decide to listen to a guy that can actually drive a 911if he has a rebuttal.

 

Overwhelming evidence? I think not. By default, his opinions are infinitely more valid than those of the naysayers.

As for being a troll - I'm loath to quote from Wikipedia, but it seems appropriate here:

I'm sure that even you can see that couldn't possibly be true of my posts.

You should be apologising - badmouthing a fellow member. Are you suggesting that nobody this side of Senna can either appreciate or get the promised performance out of a 911?

An irrelevance which indicates the standard of your argument. Keep clutching at those straws.

Better than the pro guy? I have no idea. You're just a name on an internet forum to me.

What I do know is that a stock 997 Turbo (which is quicker than a 996 Turbo) will not stay with a stock GT-R around a track.

That is not partisan, biased or prejudiced in any way - it's a fact, and one which your credibility would benefit from by accepting.

 

You're a troll by what the majority of posters consider as a troll, you join a site having no intentions to be part of the community for which the forum is dedicated, and have no posts to show any such intent. That is as much trolling as anything else.

Chris already knows how I feel, you cant say you're scared of one car, which happens to be AWD and drove that way and attempt to draw an objective opinion of the cars relative performance vs another, what kind of sense does that make? He proclaimed that it takes a 700 hp TT on R-comps to beat a GT-R, and that is utter BS and he got called on it. But you are to busy sniffing his underwear to understand the blantant contradiction based on his fear of one car already while it was stock, and then adding several hundred hp to it. Maybe in fanboy land that is actual logic, but for the rest of the world, I think not.

My credibility lies in my driving, not my typing, unlike yourself. I can talk and have back up for my words, you live in a magazine world that you honestly think is unbiased and doesnt care which cars sell the magazines. So gullible, just like the rest.

So like I said, when your rhetoric matches your revs, then someone will listen, meanwhile I'll continue to proove otherwise on the track.

In the words of a wiseman (trumper Z06)

"cya at the track"

well not you, but maybe some people who can actually drive.

 

[quote=Trommel;2182941] As for being a troll - I'm loath to quote from Wikipedia, but it seems appropriate here:



I'm sure that even you can see that couldn't possibly be true of my posts.


You've got to be kidding! How many of your posts in this thread have anything to do with the ring times? You're one of the most abbrasive Trolls on 6 speed. You don't even get it after you've been banned. Why don't you go back and read all your posts here, most of them are attacking members credibility.

 

How little you know.

 

You conveniently left out the REAL reason why the owner had to wait for an hour.

"It's not by choice. The track is usually so crowded that it takes that long before you get your turn again. And sometimes someone will breakdown on the track (Ugh. Like Wednesday night) and you end up waiting 2 hours+ to run again. (No fun.) But to pass the time we usually just walk around and talk to the other drivers and check out their cars. It's a cool community of car enthusiasts."