Originally Posted by jaeS4

You're right, it's actually less than 4%. I'm going by the 800 samples of course. How do you know that the remaining 600 are not being driven hard?

Originally Posted by Prche951

here is a video of a Lambo superlegera racing a GTR around a track. The Lambo beat the GTR by a hair.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=O_VwjJ...eature=related

Originally Posted by Prche951

if you have to ask, you are truly ignorant. Tell me of 1 high end sports car in which every single car is driven hard or even half driven hard. not one..
So your looking at closer to 20% failure rate. Not good. But since you GTR fanboys seem to live in your own little world, I don't expect you to understand....

Originally Posted by bbywu

Are you making stuff up as you go along, or are you using the force? Go back to google.com, look up the suspension system for the 08 Viper ACR, and then check back with me.

Originally Posted by Prche951

if you have to ask, you are truly ignorant. Tell me of 1 high end sports car in which every single car is driven hard or even half driven hard. not one.. Most people buy these cars because they like what the car represents, not because they plan on driving it hard. I have seen way more porsche turbos not driven hard than driven hard. Of course the cheaper the car the more it is likely to get used hard. The Evo's, Sti's cost less and attract the boy racer crowd. When you get to the ZO6 and above in price level, your in a different group and you can bet most will not get tracked hard. Matter of fact.

So your looking at closer to 20% failure rate. Not good. But since you GTR fanboys seem to live in your own little world, I don't expect you to understand....

Originally Posted by chrisn

Your baseless claim of 20% failure rate is as weak as the other guy's protests.

No hard data support a failure rate that high. If fact, there have been no credible reports of tranny failure with stock power outside of abusive use of LC. If fact, I'm not sure of any modded cars have blown the tranny OTHER than via LC. Big deal. Don't hard launch with big TQ. Again, I think current Stage IV kits on Turbos will likely shred the future 997.2 Turbo PDK Tranny (is it even comes with LC).

-Chris

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

So is Nissan going to change its performance figures to 4sec 0-60?

Originally Posted by eclou

Originally Posted by Deuuuce

I'm so late to this - who actually said Nissan's 'Ring times are legit? Anyone?

Because these are real times at Laguna Seca by top drivers. Not C&D journalist drivers with a lack of seat time in cars OTHER than the GT-R.

This is actually a copy of a post I made regarding another GT-R thread:

MT 6/07, Max Angelelli driving

C6Z .....................1:40:919
997 GT3 ...............1:39.517
996 GT3 on ...........1:39s
DOT Cup Sports (my friend with lots of practice)

MT 10/2008, Randy Pobst driving:

997 TT .................1:42.5
GT-R ....................1:40.45
M3 .......................1:42.9
R8 ........................1:40.92
Shelby GT500KR ......1:44.716
Viper ACR ..............1:35.117

I give the GT-R props. It's pretty amazing but NOT a driver's car and definitely NOT a sports car/track car with it's weight.

IMO, I would classify it as a very, very quick, very capable GT car.<!-- google_ad_section_end --> <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Originally Posted by ALPINE_997

Gene,

You mean to tell me you are supposed to swallow the Advil? My bad. I thought it to be more like a suppository similiar to what Nissan is prescribing to customers with tranny warranty claims.

The impractical parts of replacing the gears are...ummm...errr...COST and DRIVELINE WARRANTY! Oh yeah wasn't this supposed to be a Porsche Turbo beater, Daily Driver and Nissan Warranty Friendly car of the year? Now you have a 20K upgrade to a 80+ car which puts you in 100K territory with NO Driveline warranty, Nissan impeccable service and a Nissan Cube or Versa for your warranty car to let you pass the time while they fix your 100K car. Not the mention that the guy fixing your car is in JAPAN! But wait to pass on the savings to you they use VONAGE to call to TECH SERVICE in JAPAN though!!

I will better that. I will sleep at a Holiday Inn tonight and fix your tranny tomorrow. At the Nissan Dealership: Sir Sir I know you fix these broken transmissions and you are a "GTR" specialist with advanced 1 week training. But did you sleep at a Holiday Inn?

Originally Posted by ALPINE_997

John there is no doubt that the car is impressive. But unlike you most of the buyers of the Nissan were looking for a BANG for the BUCK not a BANG from the TRANNY.

The demographics for the GTR buyer is not looking to place another 20-30K in the rebuild of the TRANNY and a loss of the Driveline Warranty from Nissan.

I have never bashed the performance of the car as I have raced one and driven it hard. It is harsh on the streets in the comfort settings(mostly due to the run flats) and it push at limits. Amazing enough it stays the course but I can see why the few early buyers wrecked them. It fools you into being a better driver but in reality we know its the gizmo and tires that keep you planted. I am not a track guy but I can run the mountains pretty well and I can say that my head would tell me not to push harder but the car would make you think you can. It is not always a good thing for that combo to work in unison.

I am glad that you have the means to upgrade your tranny knowing you will lose your driveline warranty. You seem to not worry about it but I would say you are in the minority.

Best of luck..

Originally Posted by Quacker

+ 1. After watching Suzuki san drive the GTR - he makes Chris Harris look like a complete noob.
What puzzles me is that some of these Porsche fan bois simply cant put 1 and 1 together. Simple maths and logic really. They believe that the turbo can do the Nurb in 7:42. Fair enough.
Now, the GTR is kicking the turbo's *** left right and center in every track test by a margin of at least 1sec to as much as 5 sec a lap on tracks that are between 1 and 2 min long.
So if you extrapolate this margin onto the Nurb - which is a 8 min track, you will have the GTR kicking the turbo by at least 8 sec easily. So what is 7:42 minus 8sec? 7:34. Add in Suzuki Sans awesome driving and you get a few more secs off, and we end up with 7:29. Easy.

Originally Posted by bbywu

So the ACR should be, what, 25 seconds faster than the GT-R? 7:04?

I need to change my sig...

Originally Posted by f1crazydriver

C& D Sucks. I can achive 1:40's with lame falkens 452s with a passanger on a 996 tt. Also R&T can achieve 2:11's at thunderhill in a 996TT, i can achieve much faster then that with a passanger with just a flash with ****ty falkens 452's. Have you ever been to a race track and had some seat time ?

Magazine results mean nothing to me. Specialy whn I know i can achieve much, much better times then most of them.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track73.html

A member on this board who has a GTR can verify as he has my data log info

p.s. I can achived 1:40's before i had my alingment redone (it was completly out of wack!) the car is much much better. AND I added straight pipes which pulls much harder. But its still not faster then a GTR in a straight line.

I'm VERY confident I can get under 1:40's if I were to take my car to Laguna Seca



p.s. yes I do have my racing license - and i think i know how to drive a Porsche and extract everything from it.

Originally Posted by f1crazydriver

C& D Sucks. I can achive 1:40's with lame falkens 452s with a passanger on a 996 tt. Also R&T can achieve 2:11's at thunderhill in a 996TT, i can achieve much faster then that with a passanger with just a flash with ****ty falkens 452's. Have you ever been to a race track and had some seat time ?

Magazine results mean nothing to me. Specialy whn I know i can achieve much, much better times then most of them.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track73.html

A member on this board who has a GTR can verify as he has my data log info

I'm VERY confident I can get under 1:40's if I were to take my car to Laguna Seca

Originally Posted by chrisn

Hey F1. Merry Xmas. You're fast and a damn good driver, that's not in question (did your times improve with the new Thill surface, BTW?).

I don't think you can condemn Mag tests in general-- it comes down to the driver. Randy Pobst is a serious dude who knows (and races Pro) 911's. I think you need to give some respect to his results. (He was at THill a couple of weeks ago driving random cars. Took a spin in a guy's 996 GT3 and turned 2:02s with passenger-- just messing around). That's within a couple of seconds of the car's potential-- on a demo lap. How hard was he pushing in his Laguna test? Don't know, but why would that skew the results?

We all know that suspension / alignment, ECU flash and exhaust can really impact results. Gotta keep in mind also that these guys are driving bone stock cars.

Also, I am QUITE confident you would NEVER get around Laguna < 1:40. Why? B/c your straight pipes would never pass sound!!