997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#2641
HC (or anyone): What ever happened with "Me_qwkr" and his GT-R. Thread seems to have been deleted? He posted several threads saying "don't buy the GT-R" and claiming he blew his tranny without using LC.
#2642
His last post was on the 23rd. The thread has been zapped though...I saw a post a few days ago on the thread, its gone now.
#2643
I noticed it had disappeared also. Don't know why. It wasn't locked, just seems to have vanished. He was going to post pictures of the titles to his cars.
#2644
#2645
In a straight line, no question, but on real roads it wouldn't surprise me one bit that the GT-R is quicker.
#2646
Once again Trommel - the GTR wrecks that you have seen on REAL ROADs were due to underestimating physics because of electronics. A car should not do all the work for it will make you a worse driver. Some assistance is good but also you should be able to turn off that assistance in a TRACK Car if you want to. Guess what? You can't in the GTR - it will void your tranny warranty. Nissan thinks it knows every driver and how they drive so they assume their settings are the best settings.
They also ASSume that people would not launch their car given the feature, they ASSume people who track will want their Sports Mode setting instead of VDC off, they ASSume people will buy a GTR and spend big money to upkeep it to help NISSAN recover their losses, YOU ASSume that Nissan removed LC features in 2010 models because of 1-3 trannies being busted.
Why would Nissan make such a move with several trannies and why would they care since it wasn't their fault?. It didn't cost them any monies out of their pockets since they denied the warranty. Given the fact that they built a feature into a car and removed it for 3 denied warranty claims would sound a little absurd don't cha think? I got the 3 failed from the Nissan Fanboys. I know of more but you and the fanboys won't believe it. Most of them aren't failed but more of problems that Nissan is still fixing. Many are minor and a few are not. Also they don't like you bringing in the car in for rattle complaints and obviously the squeaks are not allowed because you signed a disclaimer. Talk about customer service!
You can say all that you want from a moments drive in the car. You are a BANG FOR THE BUCK guy and no one has discounted that the GTR can fill that niche in certain situations. Total cost of ownership is the key factor in BANG FOR THE BUCK.
They also ASSume that people would not launch their car given the feature, they ASSume people who track will want their Sports Mode setting instead of VDC off, they ASSume people will buy a GTR and spend big money to upkeep it to help NISSAN recover their losses, YOU ASSume that Nissan removed LC features in 2010 models because of 1-3 trannies being busted.
Why would Nissan make such a move with several trannies and why would they care since it wasn't their fault?. It didn't cost them any monies out of their pockets since they denied the warranty. Given the fact that they built a feature into a car and removed it for 3 denied warranty claims would sound a little absurd don't cha think? I got the 3 failed from the Nissan Fanboys. I know of more but you and the fanboys won't believe it. Most of them aren't failed but more of problems that Nissan is still fixing. Many are minor and a few are not. Also they don't like you bringing in the car in for rattle complaints and obviously the squeaks are not allowed because you signed a disclaimer. Talk about customer service!
You can say all that you want from a moments drive in the car. You are a BANG FOR THE BUCK guy and no one has discounted that the GTR can fill that niche in certain situations. Total cost of ownership is the key factor in BANG FOR THE BUCK.
#2647
Is this a one lap race or multiple? One lap the GTR might win (I very much doubt this) but in a multiple lap race the GT2 should kick the GTR left right and centre. The GTR simply is too porky with a so so brakes and tyres. The GTR is also very prone to understeer which might be great for novices but not for those that can drive the car.
Just have a look at the many front end GTR crashes...............my guess is understeer.
#2648
a la Top Gear... But then again, Clarkson didn't do so well with the GT3 either.
Last edited by bbywu; 12-27-2008 at 09:09 AM.
#2649
Me_qwkr didn't put up, so the mods shut him up. I'm glad it's locked, no need fussing over it until he's ready to provide some proof.
#2650
Only the US loses the unadvertised launch feature as far as I'm aware.
No issues with VDC off in the UK according to my dealer, although R mode offers a pretty loose rein in any case.
The car is very capable but certainly does not drive itself, and the uncrashable car has yet to be built.
It seems to me most of the supposed issues in the US are down to poor dealer service. In Europe the car is sold and maintained by a limited number of specially-selected High Performance Centres - perhaps it would have been diligent for Nissan USA to arrange the same.
No issues with VDC off in the UK according to my dealer, although R mode offers a pretty loose rein in any case.
The car is very capable but certainly does not drive itself, and the uncrashable car has yet to be built.
It seems to me most of the supposed issues in the US are down to poor dealer service. In Europe the car is sold and maintained by a limited number of specially-selected High Performance Centres - perhaps it would have been diligent for Nissan USA to arrange the same.
#2651
Is this a one lap race or multiple? One lap the GTR might win (I very much doubt this) but in a multiple lap race the GT2 should kick the GTR left right and centre. The GTR simply is too porky with a so so brakes and tyres. The GTR is also very prone to understeer which might be great for novices but not for those that can drive the car.
Just have a look at the many front end GTR crashes...............my guess is understeer.
Just have a look at the many front end GTR crashes...............my guess is understeer.
Have you experienced understeer in a GT-R?
Can you even drive?
#2652
#2653
Terrence, you think racing the cars is pointless, you make observations and then you don't answer what track you made those observations in. well? where did you test them.
My old 930 felt way faster than my modded 996tt. If you took a drive in both cars you would think that the 930 would smoke the 996tt. But when you see the actual speeds, the two cars aren't even close. However, for seat of the pants the 930 felt insane. So seat of the pants is not a good gauge.
#2654
"as far as I'm aware"? Not as sure sounding as you were before. A far cry from your declarative statement:
I thought you onlly stated "facts." "as far as I'm aware" is not a fact...pwned
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-post2502.html
Originally Posted by Trommel
That's direct from Nissan GB. How much more authoritative could it be?
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https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-post2502.html
Last edited by bbywu; 12-27-2008 at 09:51 AM.
#2655
Ouch!