997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#2659
12-27-2008, 10:18 AM
"as far as I'm aware"? Not as sure sounding as you were before. A far cry from your declarative statement:
I thought you onlly stated "facts." "as far as I'm aware" is not a fact...pwned
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-post2502.html
I thought you onlly stated "facts." "as far as I'm aware" is not a fact...pwned
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-post2502.html
I have no idea if the same remains true for every other market, however I haven't heard or read that the "feature" will be removed for other markets, so as far as i'm aware it won't be.
Not too difficult to grasp, is it?
pwned, owned, lolz etc.
#2660
12-27-2008, 10:23 AM
I am still struggling to understand how both statements can be true:
1. GT-R tranny problem is widespread, with a failure rate of [fill in 10-20%].
and
2. Apart from the bleeding edge dragracers with dozens of LCs with high TQ cars, no one has (credibly) reported a failed tranny in about 10 weeks. Meaning there are 2X the cars on the road now, but no additional failures (apart from JohnTurbo-- and we all know his situation)
#2661
12-27-2008, 02:02 PM
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Why would Nissan make such a move with several trannies and why would they care since it wasn't their fault?. It didn't cost them any monies out of their pockets since they denied the warranty. Given the fact that they built a feature into a car and removed it for 3 denied warranty claims would sound a little absurd don't cha think? I got the 3 failed from the Nissan Fanboys. I know of more but you and the fanboys won't believe it. Most of them aren't failed but more of problems that Nissan is still fixing. Many are minor and a few are not. Also they don't like you bringing in the car in for rattle complaints and obviously the squeaks are not allowed because you signed a disclaimer. Talk about customer service!
This is one of the reasons I cancelled my GT-R order. I didn't want to take a chance with the warranty.
#2662
12-27-2008, 02:06 PM
Just a guess, but do you think maybe Nissan is facing some kind of civil liability for having the LC feature in the car, advertising it, and then putting a disclaimer in the Owners manual not to use it?
This is one of the reasons I cancelled my GT-R order. I didn't want to take a chance with the warranty.
This is one of the reasons I cancelled my GT-R order. I didn't want to take a chance with the warranty.
#2663
12-27-2008, 08:56 PM
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You think maybe---just maybe, several of the spontaneous "my tranny blew too" threads that popped up over night were either entirely fabricated (poster doesn't even have a GT-R) or significantly embellished (as in "my car is bone stock and I never did any LCs")?
I am still struggling to understand how both statements can be true:
1. GT-R tranny problem is widespread, with a failure rate of [fill in 10-20%].
and
2. Apart from the bleeding edge dragracers with dozens of LCs with high TQ cars, no one has (credibly) reported a failed tranny in about 10 weeks. Meaning there are 2X the cars on the road now, but no additional failures (apart from JohnTurbo-- and we all know his situation)
I am still struggling to understand how both statements can be true:
1. GT-R tranny problem is widespread, with a failure rate of [fill in 10-20%].
and
2. Apart from the bleeding edge dragracers with dozens of LCs with high TQ cars, no one has (credibly) reported a failed tranny in about 10 weeks. Meaning there are 2X the cars on the road now, but no additional failures (apart from JohnTurbo-- and we all know his situation)
Now that could be because the people that are suing have a very good case, and if they win that means Nissan will have to warranty every GT-R tranny launched or not and they'd rather not deal with the headache. But I'm inclined to believe that there are quite a few busted GT-R's out there.
#2664
12-27-2008, 08:56 PM
Just a guess, but do you think maybe Nissan is facing some kind of civil liability for having the LC feature in the car, advertising it, and then putting a disclaimer in the Owners manual not to use it?
This is one of the reasons I cancelled my GT-R order. I didn't want to take a chance with the warranty.
This is one of the reasons I cancelled my GT-R order. I didn't want to take a chance with the warranty.
I don't think Nissan faces much liability-- LC is not in owner's manual. The 'Ring time debate is he said/ she said. They have a video and swear the car was stock. Not sure how you disprove that. Also, what are the damages? How are you hurt?
#2665
12-27-2008, 09:01 PM
All I hear is more white noise...and backtracking...
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#2666
12-27-2008, 09:06 PM
As with all internet problems it certainly got blown out of proportion. Contrary to what Trommel is saying there is no indication that the removal of LC is US only and I do not believe they would discontinue the feature if the problem was so little.
Now that could be because the people that are suing have a very good case, and if they win that means Nissan will have to warranty every GT-R tranny launched or not and they'd rather not deal with the headache. But I'm inclined to believe that there are quite a few busted GT-R's out there.
Now that could be because the people that are suing have a very good case, and if they win that means Nissan will have to warranty every GT-R tranny launched or not and they'd rather not deal with the headache. But I'm inclined to believe that there are quite a few busted GT-R's out there.
Selfishly, I hope they do cover the tranny even with LC use. Who knows if I'll need it...
More objectively, I still think it is totally reasonable for manufs to carve out LCs from warranty.
What (if anything) does 997.2 PDK owners manual say about warranty and LC?
#2667
12-28-2008, 01:32 AM
You think maybe---just maybe, several of the spontaneous "my tranny blew too" threads that popped up over night were either entirely fabricated (poster doesn't even have a GT-R) or significantly embellished (as in "my car is bone stock and I never did any LCs")?
I am still struggling to understand how both statements can be true:
1. GT-R tranny problem is widespread, with a failure rate of [fill in 10-20%].
and
2. Apart from the bleeding edge dragracers with dozens of LCs with high TQ cars, no one has (credibly) reported a failed tranny in about 10 weeks. Meaning there are 2X the cars on the road now, but no additional failures (apart from JohnTurbo-- and we all know his situation)
I am still struggling to understand how both statements can be true:
1. GT-R tranny problem is widespread, with a failure rate of [fill in 10-20%].
and
2. Apart from the bleeding edge dragracers with dozens of LCs with high TQ cars, no one has (credibly) reported a failed tranny in about 10 weeks. Meaning there are 2X the cars on the road now, but no additional failures (apart from JohnTurbo-- and we all know his situation)
#2668
12-28-2008, 07:03 AM
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Rep Power: 28 If you can't enjoy the GT-R w/o LC, then you made the right choice to cancel your order.
I don't think Nissan faces much liability-- LC is not in owner's manual. The 'Ring time debate is he said/ she said. They have a video and swear the car was stock. Not sure how you disprove that. Also, what are the damages? How are you hurt?
I don't think Nissan faces much liability-- LC is not in owner's manual. The 'Ring time debate is he said/ she said. They have a video and swear the car was stock. Not sure how you disprove that. Also, what are the damages? How are you hurt?
LC wasn't the only reason I cancelled my order. I saw some of the future maitenance costs, all the local Nissan dealers sucked, and the lease would have been more than I'm paying on my 997 S.
I still think the GT-R is a great car, just not the baggage that comes with it.
#2670
12-28-2008, 07:55 AM
Tony glad you are enjoying the PDK 997.2 
Nissan claims stock GTR for a 7:29 ring time and we don't know if that is true/not true? Oh boy oh boy..
Nissan claims stock GTR for a 7:29 ring time and we don't know if that is true/not true? Oh boy oh boy..