No way in HELL did a "Stock" GT-R turn a ~7:29 !!!

Beginning to look like the ~ 7:38 lap wasn't in a "Stock" GT-R either !!!

 

live & learn my friend....how much did she take you for?

 

I love how the apologists make everyone wont accept Nissan's trickery seem obsessed with LC. A lot of people like to be able to turn drivers aids of and actually control the car themselves sometimes, and dont want a japanese tech to come tell them their warranty is void without telling or showing them why. It's not all about LC. Though trusting the manufacturer of your high performance car is pretty big, the the LC was a big lie from the get go.

That's another reason I think Nissan knew there was a problem with the tranny, if you cant turn VDC off AT ALL without voiding the warranty, it's pretty telling. I bet even with the removal of LC people still wont be able to turn off the VDC. That will tell us all we need to know.

 

I can only pass on what Nissan GB have said - that is, the UK cars will have the same traction/stability function as the current-production Japanese cars.

 

Do you understand how arguments work, or are you as crushingly stupid as your posts suggest?

I have not backtracked in any way - my points stand and I have not tried to change my position at all.

Try reading and comprehending before going near the keyboard in future, and one more tip - posting little pictures doesn't improve the quality of your "argument".

 

Please post links with dates and details. If not online, how do you know?

I have seen the photos of the care in Russia re-posted numerous times. Would be great to see photos and details of cars with tranny failures in November or December.

 

#1: GT-R is faster than Turbo around any track (stock for stock)
#2: Maintenance costs aren't horrible (but are pretty bad)
#3: You are totally right about Nissan dealers (although my guys are pretty good)
#4: 997.2 C2S is an awesome car. Did you get PDK? That is a car I would like to own. Congrats

 

I think it has a chance of being true (maybe 30%). If true, it is a complete anomaly. I believe mid 7:30s is probably more representative.

Who cares anyway.

 

Me, apologist? Hey man, someone has to waive the flag.

I am disappointed about the LC/VDC situation, but it is hard for me to be indignant. All this was CLEARLY explained to me by the dealer. It is CLEARLY laid out in the special disclaimer thing they have you sign and CLEALY explained in the owners manual.

Look, I think in the future more and more cars will be engineered ASSUMING that an electronic nanny will protect the parts/systems. Many current cars already limit TQ in 1st gear, for example. All modern cars have electronic rev limiters-- even though we all know the cars can handle a bit more.

If you step back and remove your Nissan-hating glasses, you will conclude that at a high level it is a good thing for manufacturers to design cars for reliability IF AND ONLY IF the computer is placing some limits on driver inputs. I for one, don't want a drivetrain that is bulletproof for drop-clutch launches if it is 100 pounds heavier and $5K more to build (or whatever, you get my point).

 

I think this all boils down to one thing. The GTR is not the world-beating bargain supercar that Nissan wanted us to believe it was and tried so hard to convince us it was by misleading the car mags. It will be just another also ran.

 

Are you making a personal attack?

 

EVERYONE is hung up on the LC option/warranty issue.

HERE IS THE QUESTION:

What is the difference in the 60fts WITH LC and WITHOUT LC??

If, for example, it's .1 second (1.7s vs. 1.8s) then it's only a differenceof .2 for the ET. It's still an 11second car. And it can be driven that way everyday, stoplights or dragstrips.

That would be an Infiniti dealer. One mistake Nissan made already.

 

No.

This is the internet, it's not for real.

 

You're so funny.

Can you really believe that?

 

Trojan Croc: strip away any claim that you think is suspect-- and don't do anything that allow Nissan to deny a warranty claim. Now visualize that car. Compare it in your head to any car in that price range. Now suppose you don't like bow ties.

What have you got? Even after deducting everything controversial, the GT-R is still a "world-beating bargain supercar" (if you define the 997TT as a "supercar").

If you think the GT-R is an "also ran," maybe you could help me out with an example of a couple of cars in that category.