997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#256
10-04-2008, 05:12 PM
good article in speedsportlife.com, I like this snippet:
which is what I meant by my chef comment by the way. 
Sorry. There’s no “Nurburgring lap time record” for a simple reason: Real lap time records are set by real race cars, using real timing and scoring equipment, during actual competition or sanctioned practice sessions. They aren’t “self-reported” for the same reason the World’s Strongest Man Contest isn’t held by having everyone mail in their “results”: because people can, and do, lie and cheat.
#257
10-04-2008, 06:17 PM
Now check this out.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....pic=25361&st=0
Seems like trans on GTR is not good at all.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....pic=25361&st=0
Seems like trans on GTR is not good at all.
#258
10-04-2008, 06:21 PM
For the doubters posting about how the GT-R could not post a time comparable to the Porsche GT2 around the Ring here are the facts. Let's try not to let these facts get in the way
:
Silverstone Circuit F1 Circuit:
GT-R matches or beats the Porsche GT2 and Lambo LP 560.
997 GT2:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...6a&area=videos
Lambo LP 560 Gallardo:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...93&area=videos
Nissan GT-R:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...06&area=videos
The latest issue of Road and Track has the stock GT-R beating the 997TT by 4 seconds and a 630 horsepower TechArt version by 2 seconds around Streets of Willow.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7078
The latest issue of Motor Trend shows the GT-R beating a 997TT around Laguna Seca by 2 seconds:
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...deo/index.html
Road and Track Magazine test at Big Willow show the GT-R faster than the Porsche GT2 and Lambo LP560:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...lowsprings.pdf
Guess what? The stock Nissan GT-R is as fast as the 997 GT2 and Lambo 560 at the very fast Silverstone circuit. It is quicker than the GT2 and Lambo 560 at the very fast Big Willow circuit. The GT-R is way faster than the 997TT at the medium speed Laguna Seca track and the tight and slow Streets of Willow circuit. This is a sad attempt by Porsche to discredit another manufacturer and perhaps instead of testing the GT-R and crying, they should build a better 998TT.
As for the GT-R not being fast in a straight line:
Actual owner in the US with a bone stock car:
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25157
11.5 @ 121.7
That time is comparable to any 997tt time slip in a straight line. Around a track the GT2 gets close to the GT-R, but loses in most track testing. Watch the links I posted earlier. The 997tt is not the track weapon at Porsche, that would be the GT3 and then the GT2. The GT-R is way faster than the 997tt around any track. Now here is the Mines GT-R with a reflashed ecu and exhaust running some stout times:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7078
Like the stock GT-R, Mine's version is surprisingly civil on the open road, with an even ride quality and a comfortable cabin. However, get on the throttle pedal, and this thing seems to redefine physics. The four Bridgestone tires grab the tarmac simultaneously and catapult the car forward. Sixty mph comes in 3.0 sec., 100 mph in 6.9. Its quarter-mile time is in motorcycle territory, getting to the mark in 11.1 sec. at 127.4 mph.
The Mines 550 horsepower GT-R is quicker than the "630" horsepower TechArt 997tt Road and Track tested in a straight line. The Stock GT-R is faster than the TechArt 997TT around the track! So again these are the FACTS and not hearsay like this Porsche "test".
:Silverstone Circuit F1 Circuit:
GT-R matches or beats the Porsche GT2 and Lambo LP 560.
997 GT2:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...6a&area=videos
Lambo LP 560 Gallardo:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...93&area=videos
Nissan GT-R:
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...06&area=videos
The latest issue of Road and Track has the stock GT-R beating the 997TT by 4 seconds and a 630 horsepower TechArt version by 2 seconds around Streets of Willow.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7078
The latest issue of Motor Trend shows the GT-R beating a 997TT around Laguna Seca by 2 seconds:
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...deo/index.html
Road and Track Magazine test at Big Willow show the GT-R faster than the Porsche GT2 and Lambo LP560:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...lowsprings.pdf
Guess what? The stock Nissan GT-R is as fast as the 997 GT2 and Lambo 560 at the very fast Silverstone circuit. It is quicker than the GT2 and Lambo 560 at the very fast Big Willow circuit. The GT-R is way faster than the 997TT at the medium speed Laguna Seca track and the tight and slow Streets of Willow circuit. This is a sad attempt by Porsche to discredit another manufacturer and perhaps instead of testing the GT-R and crying, they should build a better 998TT.
As for the GT-R not being fast in a straight line:
Actual owner in the US with a bone stock car:
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25157
11.5 @ 121.7
That time is comparable to any 997tt time slip in a straight line. Around a track the GT2 gets close to the GT-R, but loses in most track testing. Watch the links I posted earlier. The 997tt is not the track weapon at Porsche, that would be the GT3 and then the GT2. The GT-R is way faster than the 997tt around any track. Now here is the Mines GT-R with a reflashed ecu and exhaust running some stout times:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7078
Like the stock GT-R, Mine's version is surprisingly civil on the open road, with an even ride quality and a comfortable cabin. However, get on the throttle pedal, and this thing seems to redefine physics. The four Bridgestone tires grab the tarmac simultaneously and catapult the car forward. Sixty mph comes in 3.0 sec., 100 mph in 6.9. Its quarter-mile time is in motorcycle territory, getting to the mark in 11.1 sec. at 127.4 mph.
The Mines 550 horsepower GT-R is quicker than the "630" horsepower TechArt 997tt Road and Track tested in a straight line. The Stock GT-R is faster than the TechArt 997TT around the track! So again these are the FACTS and not hearsay like this Porsche "test".
Wait you shouldn't post stuff like that. This is a Porsche forums. logical reasoning and performance stats don't hold much substance when compared to hearsay of a Porsche employee.
Lets also not forget the recent Lightning Lap. we should do a little comparison of times.
Z06 = 2.58
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...te_z06_feature
GT3 = 3.01
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...11_gt3_feature
997 Turbo = 3.05 http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/..._turbo_feature
and drum roll Please
GTR = 2.55
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...n_gt_r_feature
Now if im not mistake the GTR is faster then all the cars mentioned. Would it be absurd to think that the Nissan is capable of faster times then the Porsche around the ring? I don't think so. not when a mountain of proof is starring you in the face.
It is however absurd to think that the GTR is more then 18 sec slower then the turbo on the ring.
As far as that One Lap comment is concerned my mistake it was the GT3's that were having problems with the GTR not that modded 996TT.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/1105911-post1.html
Hammad
#259
10-04-2008, 06:38 PM
Now check this out.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....pic=25361&st=0
Seems like trans on GTR is not good at all.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....pic=25361&st=0
Seems like trans on GTR is not good at all.
#260
10-04-2008, 07:34 PM
I still don't understand why people think it's so impossible that the GTR did 7:29 in The Ring. If it's making way over 540hp and has a better AWD system and better suspension, then why not. This is the only logical explanation. Guarantee if a 997TT did better than 7:29, it wouldn't be questioned or scrutinized as much if any at all. Regardless what forum.
#261
10-04-2008, 07:36 PM
I still don't understand why people think it's so impossible that the GTR did 7:29 in The Ring. If it's making way over 540hp and has a better AWD system and better suspension, then why not. This is the only logical explanation. Guarantee if a 997TT did better than 7:29, it wouldn't be questioned or scrutinized as much if any at all. Regardless what forum.
it wasn't official and it wasn't verified so it never happened regardless of what the chef said about his own food.
#262
10-04-2008, 08:09 PM
When Lexus came out with their LS400 years ago, Mercedes tried to ignore until it was obvious that Lexus was taking a good chunk of their market share (I believe that Lexus now has a larger share of the luxury US car market than Mercedes). Soon, you heard rumors of Mercedes buying Lexus cars to strip them and find out what Lexus was doing.
Nissan has done a great job with the GT-R. I see a similarity here. It seems that Porsche has bought a few GT-Rs and are now putting them through the paces. I am sure they will be taking them apart and finding out more about the car.
Whether P is right or wrong about the ring numbers is immaterial at this point. The GT-R has changed the perception enough that sooner rather than later Porsche will have to get on the ball. The introduction of the PDK in regular P-cars may be an example (supposedly Porsche developed this technology 20 years ago or so. Now this technology is available to the rest of us. Coincidence? Who knows!)
In the end, I expect that Porsche car fans will benefit. Mercedes started building better cars to meet Lexus' challenge. I expect that Porsche will do the same as well.
Nissan has done a great job with the GT-R. I see a similarity here. It seems that Porsche has bought a few GT-Rs and are now putting them through the paces. I am sure they will be taking them apart and finding out more about the car.
Whether P is right or wrong about the ring numbers is immaterial at this point. The GT-R has changed the perception enough that sooner rather than later Porsche will have to get on the ball. The introduction of the PDK in regular P-cars may be an example (supposedly Porsche developed this technology 20 years ago or so. Now this technology is available to the rest of us. Coincidence? Who knows!)
In the end, I expect that Porsche car fans will benefit. Mercedes started building better cars to meet Lexus' challenge. I expect that Porsche will do the same as well.
#263
10-04-2008, 08:11 PM
Wait you shouldn't post stuff like that. This is a Porsche forums. logical reasoning and performance stats don't hold much substance when compared to hearsay of a Porsche employee.
Lets also not forget the recent Lightning Lap. we should do a little comparison of times.
..............
Now if im not mistake the GTR is faster then all the cars mentioned. Would it be absurd to think that the Nissan is capable of faster times then the Porsche around the ring? I don't think so. not when a mountain of proof is starring you in the face.
Hammad
Lets also not forget the recent Lightning Lap. we should do a little comparison of times.
..............
Now if im not mistake the GTR is faster then all the cars mentioned. Would it be absurd to think that the Nissan is capable of faster times then the Porsche around the ring? I don't think so. not when a mountain of proof is starring you in the face.
Hammad
As I said, I believe (unlike some others here) that GTRs are likely faster than 997TTs at most tracks. I've explained why I don't believe that's the case at the ring, but I'll put it another way, using your lighting lap example.
We know track conditions change from day to day, but the ACR and GTR were tested on the lighting lap at the same time. The ACR did a 2:48.6, exactly seven seconds faster than the GTR... They were both also tested at the ring, where the viper went... seven seconds faster. On a track three times as long. You see what I'm getting at... If the GTR was the same % slower that the ACR it would do a 7:41 ring time.
Look further. The GTR had a top speed of 146.5 vs 154.9 for the ACR. An 8.4 mph difference is a lot, obviously, but it's exactly what you'd expect as the viper is a much more powerful, lighter car. But on the Ring video the GTR can be seen PULLING the ACR down the longer straights... How, exactly?? Maybe turn the boost up a little in the GTR?
Finally, the lighting lap track is an 86 mph speed track. The Ring is 103. Every test shows the GTR loosing out above 100 to competitive cars- it's very fast below ~100, but slow above. Yet it does much better vs the competition on the faster track?
The only people other than Nissan to test is on the ring so far both came in around 7:50, which is what we'd predict based on the Viper's times.
Like I said, the GTR is fast. But the one that ran the ring in 7:29 was by all indications a ringer with the boost turned up, and I feel certain you won't see a stock customer car re-create that time.
Please read the article here before you respond:
http://www.speedsportlife.com/
BTW, I fully believe a GTR did do 7:29 at the ring, I just don't believe the one you buy in the showroom comes close to that... The guy that got the 12.0 at 115 car? He's l~150 whp down on the ring car.
#264
10-04-2008, 08:31 PM
#265
10-04-2008, 09:02 PM
So are all of these other runs official?
6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05), (*street-legal only in the UK)
www.radicalextremesportscars.com/news_folder/nord0905/index.php
www.radicalextremesportscars.com/media/track_race_ring/index.php
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h ? Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael D?g (nov,6 05), http://autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=4199
7:15* -- 170.48 km/h -- 2008 Nissan GT-R, 450 PS/??? kg (*mfr.) provisional entry, www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/208327/nissan_gtr.html
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), www.edo-competition.de/fileadmin/MEDIA/VIDEO/nordschleife_runde.avi
www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_world/ringmeister.html
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004, >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.), www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_folder/nordchliefe/index.php ,
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h ? Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=83550
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=98&page=&type=news,
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther R? (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=91&page=&type=news
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther R? (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h ? Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h ? Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04), www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/cmspdf.asp?id=217
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h ? Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h ? Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&mID=1384471&l=d
www.radicalextremesportscars.com/news_folder/nord0905/index.php
www.radicalextremesportscars.com/media/track_race_ring/index.php
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h ? Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael D?g (nov,6 05), http://autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=4199
7:15* -- 170.48 km/h -- 2008 Nissan GT-R, 450 PS/??? kg (*mfr.) provisional entry, www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/208327/nissan_gtr.html
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), www.edo-competition.de/fileadmin/MEDIA/VIDEO/nordschleife_runde.avi
www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_world/ringmeister.html
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004, >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.), www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_folder/nordchliefe/index.php ,
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h ? Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=83550
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=98&page=&type=news,
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther R? (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=91&page=&type=news
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther R? (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h ? Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h ? Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04), www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/cmspdf.asp?id=217
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h ? Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h ? Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&mID=1384471&l=d
Last edited by jaeS4; 10-04-2008 at 09:05 PM.
#267
10-04-2008, 09:56 PM
I still don't understand why people think it's so impossible that the GTR did 7:29 in The Ring. If it's making way over 540hp and has a better AWD system and better suspension, then why not. This is the only logical explanation. Guarantee if a 997TT did better than 7:29, it wouldn't be questioned or scrutinized as much if any at all. Regardless what forum.
The ring is used so often by so many companies that, while impossible to pin point how a car will do, there is a range that one could guess based on power, type of car (street/race vs. pure race), weight (GTR= very heavy 3800-3900), etc., etc.
Based on the Sport Auto test, and on the GTR's weight, and the fact that it does not have a pure race suspension/tire, 7:45 for the GT-R is reasonable if it's a good car sample, 7:38 is pushing it big time--even if assuming power is higher than 485, and 7:29 is an ABSOLUTE dream. Or nightmare, as it has turned out for Nissan.
The point here is not that Nissan did not do 7:29. It did. But that car most likely has:
1. Power that stock car doesn't come close to touching.
2. Suspension that stock car doesn't come close to touching.
3. Tires that are not on the stock car.
In other words, the lie is not that Nissan didn't do it, but that it did it with a car that has NOTHING in common with stock. It puzzles me so much, because claiming 7:45 would have been a HUGE victory for Nissan already (questions about gear box aside). Not many 80k car does 7:45.
Look around you, all intelligent GT-R owners have capitulated on the 7:29 mark. Moral of the lesson, like that Confucius's saying: Be humble in victory, so it doesn't hurt as much when you fall flat on your face.
Last edited by cannga; 10-04-2008 at 11:13 PM.
#269
10-04-2008, 10:30 PM
That said, when porsche releases a performance figure their average car will hit them. The 'ring times they release are usually within a few seconds of independent testers, and the 0-60 time magazines get is usually quicker than Porsche's figures. Where as it seems Nissan has not only released a ring time ~20+ seconds faster that independent tests, but a 0-60 time that, if you actually achieve it by turning the diff off, will potentially both break your transmission and void your warranty...
Either way, it seems that while both the porsche and nissan are fast, you should realize when looking at the numbers that you're comparing apples to oranges. Which rubs me the wrong way, though I still respect the Nissan's engineering, and I do hope it will help Porsche kit it up a gear...
Last edited by petevb; 10-04-2008 at 10:42 PM.
#270
10-05-2008, 12:22 AM
Let me try this again. 3rd time I'm gonna ask these questions which I believe are pretty relevant if you guys really want to be unbiased, questions which kept on being ignored:
1.) Do any of you actually believe that a Porsche test engineer managed a time of 7:38 for the 997TT, even one shod with MPSCs? Keep in mind that HvS only managed 7:54 during Sport Auto's Supertest, and yes, the one he drove was also shod with MPSCs, and the lap was done on a closed track. I believe HvS also stated that 7:38 (what Porsche was claiming then) is impossible to achieve with the 997TT.
2.) If that Porsche test engineer is actually so good to be able to get that 7:38 997TT time (and he should be really good if his 997 GT2 time is 7:34), how come his GT-R time of 7:54 is 4 seconds slower that HvS' shakedown time (7:50) of a pre-production GT-R, on a partially wet and open track? Could it be that the Porsche test engineer is out of his element with the GT-R, being used to Porsches in general and the 911 platform in particular? Or maybe the Porsche representative who made the statement simply plucked the 7:38 time out of thin air?
1.) Do any of you actually believe that a Porsche test engineer managed a time of 7:38 for the 997TT, even one shod with MPSCs? Keep in mind that HvS only managed 7:54 during Sport Auto's Supertest, and yes, the one he drove was also shod with MPSCs, and the lap was done on a closed track. I believe HvS also stated that 7:38 (what Porsche was claiming then) is impossible to achieve with the 997TT.
2.) If that Porsche test engineer is actually so good to be able to get that 7:38 997TT time (and he should be really good if his 997 GT2 time is 7:34), how come his GT-R time of 7:54 is 4 seconds slower that HvS' shakedown time (7:50) of a pre-production GT-R, on a partially wet and open track? Could it be that the Porsche test engineer is out of his element with the GT-R, being used to Porsches in general and the 911 platform in particular? Or maybe the Porsche representative who made the statement simply plucked the 7:38 time out of thin air?