And lastly, we were not inundated by repetative, circular arguments by non Porsche owners....

 

Porsche and Audi offer driving/ownership events at race tracks.

My point is that in it's current state, especially the weight, it could not compete in racing. If AWD was eliminated to save weight along with the electronically adjustable suspension and the transmission changed for race duty would it still be a GT-R? How would it perform vs. the other cars listed? Much differently.

 

Don't forget it won the Wheels magazine '2008 drivers car' award in Australia as well. And the car hasn't even been released in Aussie land yet.
The Aussies are eagerly anticipating the release of the GTR in Australia. Who can blaim them, at 150K - there is no other car that matches it. 997tt - 340K, Lambo LP540- 520K.

 

dude your like a broken record. it's not that we don't remember, it's that we don't care. That's like saying it won an award in Tierra del Fuego. Sorry, but a land where the pontiac G8 is the primary car just does not float the boat.

Yah the GTR came here and Ran the One Lap of America, a series of races across different tracks in the country. It came in 14th place overall, getting spanked by 996tt's, GT3's, Vipers. The GTR could not even make top 10

 

Here comes the question....

Do you want a car that wins mags or wins races? And add on to that.. Do you want a car that can repeat that over and over again at the next track event or sit out waiting for its brakes to cool, it fluids to stop boiling and its tires being replaced from chunking? Don't tell me that several mags have not chunked tires on this car. Of course you will blame it on the tire manufacturer right?

I am sorry - I didn't hear that...what was that again...?

 

I don't really consider you as an apologist, but that statement is exactly what you'll find on NAGTROC from the people who bash anyone who says anything negative about the way Nissan marketed the car. I tried to think of a better way to word it, but there wasn't one.

Comon now, a rev limiter and traction control are two different things and cannot be compared. There are cars that come with tq management and that's to help with throttle application and putting power down. And yes some are designed also to prevent wheel hop and damage to drivetrain components. But there are several cars with DSG technology and you can fully disable the traction control without consequence in all the others.

And your whole last paragraph is apologizing again. Nissan's DSG has the most limitations of any other that's on the market. Sorry but I'd take the one with the least amount of limitations on it that one that's lighter and you have to drive around scared of breaking it all the time. There are GT-R owners that are scared to hit the gas pedal because of all the restrictions and warranty void statments. Hell give me a bulletproof manual T60 with a no lift shift on it all day over that.

 

WRONG!

It has a DSG and much stickier tires. Both bigger drivers aids than any computer.

As far as drivers aids, it has much more computer involvement than anything Porsche offers.

 

much more computer involvement??? So porsche doesnt have that?

 

So why aren't you hitting the local track in a Model T or a Curved Dash Olds, or perhaps a '77 Chevette on cross-plies?

As for tyres - your beloved GT3 comes with MPSCs.

As for DSG - the next version of your beloved GT3 will only be available with PDK.

The GT-R offers absolutely no more computer involvement than a 997 Turbo (in fact, the traction/stability programs are actually less of a hindrance in the GT-R in R Mode).

 

Vlad, have u driven the gt2 or 997tt?...PSM is very unobtrusive...

 

I never been to the track, i never driven a gt2 or tt, but i drove 997 Carrera S !!!

 

VDC in R Mode on a GT-R is arguably less so (than the Turbo at least).

 

It's not less than PASM off now is it?

You cannot turn off the controls in the GT-R without consequence.


Not only that PSM is not that obtrusive if you can drive. Within a second of having the controls completely off in most models from factory test drivers in factory cars.

You are completely missing the objectives of the two systems. VDC is meant to make corrections for the driver, PSM is meant to show the driver where they made a mistake.

Nissan ran the ring with VDC off, so how much slower would even the ringer have been had they ran with it on? the GT-R is engineered for the car to do the driving, drive in deep, yank wheel, stomp gas and let the electronics sort it out. PSM or PASM is not even close to the same thing.

 

Again, you are proving that you do not know what you're talking about.

Did you find this out when you drove a GT-R? Oh, wait ...

 

How many times have you used that line in here? It's played out already. You can read anyone's driving impressions and they'll say the same thing I just posted about the GT-R. That you can "feel" the electronics sorting out the car in the turns. I know exactly how PASM and PSM work, and you wont find any person that will say it feels anything like that.

Your borrowed time in the GT-R means nothing here. Especially when we all know you aren't much of a driver by your own admission.