997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#2821
Here is theory:
The 7:29 run, and probably the 7:38 run were in cars that were beyond the Spec-V in power level in order to test durability of the brakes, cooling, transmission, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the 600hp range.
I'll be very curious to see if Nissan makes another claim with the Spec-V and I'll bet future production Spec-V tests at the 'Ring reinforce my theory as well.
Take the weighted statistical average of the GT2 vs. the GT-R. I bet it's quite revealing which is faster.
The 7:29 run, and probably the 7:38 run were in cars that were beyond the Spec-V in power level in order to test durability of the brakes, cooling, transmission, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the 600hp range.
I'll be very curious to see if Nissan makes another claim with the Spec-V and I'll bet future production Spec-V tests at the 'Ring reinforce my theory as well.
Take the weighted statistical average of the GT2 vs. the GT-R. I bet it's quite revealing which is faster.
#2822
Here is theory:
The 7:29 run, and probably the 7:38 run were in cars that were beyond the Spec-V in power level in order to test durability of the brakes, cooling, transmission, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the 600hp range.
I'll be very curious to see if Nissan makes another claim with the Spec-V and I'll bet future production Spec-V tests at the 'Ring reinforce my theory as well.
Take the weighted statistical average of the GT2 vs. the GT-R. I bet it's quite revealing which is faster.
The 7:29 run, and probably the 7:38 run were in cars that were beyond the Spec-V in power level in order to test durability of the brakes, cooling, transmission, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the 600hp range.
I'll be very curious to see if Nissan makes another claim with the Spec-V and I'll bet future production Spec-V tests at the 'Ring reinforce my theory as well.
Take the weighted statistical average of the GT2 vs. the GT-R. I bet it's quite revealing which is faster.
#2823
BTW, how do you know if the GT-R driver was any good at the track?
#2824
Futher back in this thread it is discussed that the V-spec will have very little if any horsepower gain over the stock GT-R.
#2825
And I'm betting that if you ran the GT-R and GT2 all day together at the Ring you would find out why the GT2 cost more than the GT-R. Or the TT for that matter.
#2826
#2827
Ha ha.
Still gotta know what buttons to press before you take a nap.
Seriously, the whole "I ran against car XYZ at the track and smoked him" argument is really a non-argument.
Beyond nannies, the GT-R just inspires confidence. Feels so solid and in control. Hard to explain. Maybe, as some have pointed out, that is a bad thing. I don't think so. I think stability, predictability, consistency and confidence are all key factors for going fast.
I said it above, but will repeat: if you gave 100 intermediate track drivers a GT-R and a GT2, and gave them a day in each, I'll bet 90%+ would be faster in the GT-R.
Still gotta know what buttons to press before you take a nap.
Seriously, the whole "I ran against car XYZ at the track and smoked him" argument is really a non-argument.
Beyond nannies, the GT-R just inspires confidence. Feels so solid and in control. Hard to explain. Maybe, as some have pointed out, that is a bad thing. I don't think so. I think stability, predictability, consistency and confidence are all key factors for going fast.
I said it above, but will repeat: if you gave 100 intermediate track drivers a GT-R and a GT2, and gave them a day in each, I'll bet 90%+ would be faster in the GT-R.
#2828
Mystery of the Non-Broken Tranny: December Update
Nissan December sales are out: 1,730 GT-Rs on the street as of 12/31/08, with 149 new ones in December (versus 52 911 Turbo Coupes, BTW).
So, at the failure rate guesstimated by some above in this thread, we should have seen another 10 or so failed trannies.
The updated count of reported tranny failures (apart from 50+ LCs with high TQ cars) since October 2008 is: Zero
Amazing.
So, at the failure rate guesstimated by some above in this thread, we should have seen another 10 or so failed trannies.
The updated count of reported tranny failures (apart from 50+ LCs with high TQ cars) since October 2008 is: Zero
Amazing.
#2829
I was the driver, and I am positive I'm bad in either scenario. No comment on my payment versus speed. Irrelevant. I've had 4 stock TT's. No comparison in speed of a stock TT to the GT2. The TT and the GR-R are very equal and different. GT2 is a race car for the street.
#2830
1.06 mile track........1/4 mile drag
ZR1 56.86sec........ZR1 11.2@130.5
GT2 57.49.............599 11.3@126.4
599 58.02.............GT2 11.4@127.9
GT-R 58.08 ..........GT-R 11.6@120
The GT-R is very fast to 80mph, but after 100mph it runs out of steam compaired to the other supercars. The MPH in the 1/4 tells you what happens if you see one on the street.
All that being said, I'd buy one if I could get it in the 40-45k range!
Guess I have to wait another 12-18months.
#2831
Another Mag Shootoutat Las Vegas Motor speedway infield. Feb 2009 Motor Trend
1.06 mile track........1/4 mile drag
ZR1 56.86sec........ZR1 11.2@130.5
GT2 57.49.............599 11.3@126.4
599 58.02.............GT2 11.4@127.9
GT-R 58.08 ..........GT-R 11.6@120
The GT-R is very fast to 80mph, but after 100mph it runs out of steam compaired to the other supercars. The MPH in the 1/4 tells you what happens if you see one on the street.
All that being said, I'd buy one if I could get it in the 40-45k range!
Guess I have to wait another 12-18months.
1.06 mile track........1/4 mile drag
ZR1 56.86sec........ZR1 11.2@130.5
GT2 57.49.............599 11.3@126.4
599 58.02.............GT2 11.4@127.9
GT-R 58.08 ..........GT-R 11.6@120
The GT-R is very fast to 80mph, but after 100mph it runs out of steam compaired to the other supercars. The MPH in the 1/4 tells you what happens if you see one on the street.
All that being said, I'd buy one if I could get it in the 40-45k range!
Guess I have to wait another 12-18months.
#2832
Nissan December sales are out: 1,730 GT-Rs on the street as of 12/31/08, with 149 new ones in December (versus 52 911 Turbo Coupes, BTW).
So, at the failure rate guesstimated by some above in this thread, we should have seen another 10 or so failed trannies.
The updated count of reported tranny failures (apart from 50+ LCs with high TQ cars) since October 2008 is: Zero
Amazing.
So, at the failure rate guesstimated by some above in this thread, we should have seen another 10 or so failed trannies.
The updated count of reported tranny failures (apart from 50+ LCs with high TQ cars) since October 2008 is: Zero
Amazing.
#2833
#2834
I just wanted to be number 2869. I can't believe this thread......
#2835
I'm guessing most owners have stopped using LC by now, so it doesn't surprise me if there is a drop in Tranny failures. If I paid 80 grand for a car and was told I would void the warranty if I used a feature, not to mention run the risk of tearing up a 20 grand tranny, I'd stop using the feature.