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Here is theory:
The 7:29 run, and probably the 7:38 run were in cars that were beyond the Spec-V in power level in order to test durability of the brakes, cooling, transmission, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the 600hp range.

I'll be very curious to see if Nissan makes another claim with the Spec-V and I'll bet future production Spec-V tests at the 'Ring reinforce my theory as well.

Take the weighted statistical average of the GT2 vs. the GT-R. I bet it's quite revealing which is faster.
 
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Originally Posted by Deuuuce
Here is theory:
The 7:29 run, and probably the 7:38 run were in cars that were beyond the Spec-V in power level in order to test durability of the brakes, cooling, transmission, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the 600hp range.

I'll be very curious to see if Nissan makes another claim with the Spec-V and I'll bet future production Spec-V tests at the 'Ring reinforce my theory as well.

Take the weighted statistical average of the GT2 vs. the GT-R. I bet it's quite revealing which is faster.
I hate to get back in this forsaken thread, but I have run against a GT-R and I can absolutely eat its lunch straight or on a track. There is not a single bit of comparison to even discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by cc08gt2
I hate to get back in this forsaken thread, but I have run against a GT-R and I can absolutely eat its lunch straight or on a track. There is not a single bit of comparison to even discuss.
I hope your GT2 is faster. You paid 3X for it. What about versus a stock TT?

BTW, how do you know if the GT-R driver was any good at the track?
 
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Futher back in this thread it is discussed that the V-spec will have very little if any horsepower gain over the stock GT-R.
 
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And I'm betting that if you ran the GT-R and GT2 all day together at the Ring you would find out why the GT2 cost more than the GT-R. Or the TT for that matter.
 
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Originally Posted by chrisn
I hope your GT2 is faster. You paid 3X for it. What about versus a stock TT?

BTW, how do you know if the GT-R driver was any good at the track?
I thought he didn't have to be good with all the nannies.
 
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Originally Posted by USCCayman
I thought he didn't have to be good with all the nannies.
Ha ha.

Still gotta know what buttons to press before you take a nap.

Seriously, the whole "I ran against car XYZ at the track and smoked him" argument is really a non-argument.

Beyond nannies, the GT-R just inspires confidence. Feels so solid and in control. Hard to explain. Maybe, as some have pointed out, that is a bad thing. I don't think so. I think stability, predictability, consistency and confidence are all key factors for going fast.

I said it above, but will repeat: if you gave 100 intermediate track drivers a GT-R and a GT2, and gave them a day in each, I'll bet 90%+ would be faster in the GT-R.
 
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Mystery of the Non-Broken Tranny: December Update

Nissan December sales are out: 1,730 GT-Rs on the street as of 12/31/08, with 149 new ones in December (versus 52 911 Turbo Coupes, BTW).

So, at the failure rate guesstimated by some above in this thread, we should have seen another 10 or so failed trannies.

The updated count of reported tranny failures (apart from 50+ LCs with high TQ cars) since October 2008 is: Zero

Amazing.
 
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Originally Posted by chrisn
I hope your GT2 is faster. You paid 3X for it. What about versus a stock TT?

BTW, how do you know if the GT-R driver was any good at the track?

I was the driver, and I am positive I'm bad in either scenario. No comment on my payment versus speed. Irrelevant. I've had 4 stock TT's. No comparison in speed of a stock TT to the GT2. The TT and the GR-R are very equal and different. GT2 is a race car for the street.
 
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Originally Posted by cc08gt2
I hate to get back in this forsaken thread, but I have run against a GT-R and I can absolutely eat its lunch straight or on a track. There is not a single bit of comparison to even discuss.
Another Mag Shootoutat Las Vegas Motor speedway infield. Feb 2009 Motor Trend

1.06 mile track........1/4 mile drag

ZR1 56.86sec........ZR1 11.2@130.5
GT2 57.49.............599 11.3@126.4
599 58.02.............GT2 11.4@127.9
GT-R 58.08 ..........GT-R 11.6@120

The GT-R is very fast to 80mph, but after 100mph it runs out of steam compaired to the other supercars. The MPH in the 1/4 tells you what happens if you see one on the street.


All that being said, I'd buy one if I could get it in the 40-45k range!
Guess I have to wait another 12-18months.
 
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Originally Posted by TT 955
Another Mag Shootoutat Las Vegas Motor speedway infield. Feb 2009 Motor Trend

1.06 mile track........1/4 mile drag

ZR1 56.86sec........ZR1 11.2@130.5
GT2 57.49.............599 11.3@126.4
599 58.02.............GT2 11.4@127.9
GT-R 58.08 ..........GT-R 11.6@120

The GT-R is very fast to 80mph, but after 100mph it runs out of steam compaired to the other supercars. The MPH in the 1/4 tells you what happens if you see one on the street.


All that being said, I'd buy one if I could get it in the 40-45k range!
Guess I have to wait another 12-18months.
Still quite impressive if you ask me. I'm surprised this thread wasn't closed a long time ago. This may very well be the worst thread ever created and posted in on 6speed.
 
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Originally Posted by chrisn
Nissan December sales are out: 1,730 GT-Rs on the street as of 12/31/08, with 149 new ones in December (versus 52 911 Turbo Coupes, BTW).

So, at the failure rate guesstimated by some above in this thread, we should have seen another 10 or so failed trannies.

The updated count of reported tranny failures (apart from 50+ LCs with high TQ cars) since October 2008 is: Zero

Amazing.
I'm guessing most owners have stopped using LC by now, so it doesn't surprise me if there is a drop in Tranny failures. If I paid 80 grand for a car and was told I would void the warranty if I used a feature, not to mention run the risk of tearing up a 20 grand tranny, I'd stop using the feature.
 
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Originally Posted by Obi-wanShinobi
Still quite impressive if you ask me. I'm surprised this thread wasn't closed a long time ago. This may very well be the worst thread ever created and posted in on 6speed.
Which makes it the best thread ever created. It's like staring at a car wreck.
 
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I just wanted to be number 2869. I can't believe this thread......
 
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Originally Posted by USCCayman
I'm guessing most owners have stopped using LC by now, so it doesn't surprise me if there is a drop in Tranny failures. If I paid 80 grand for a car and was told I would void the warranty if I used a feature, not to mention run the risk of tearing up a 20 grand tranny, I'd stop using the feature.
I heard about that. The Gt-r trannies are easily break and warranty doesn't cover, even it's not at fault.
 


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