997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#406
10-07-2008, 06:57 PM
i just asked a simple question if they had mods or not, not what you could buy these days...
#407
10-07-2008, 07:19 PM
like this WET SKIDPAD--oops loose again...
One Lap of America<SUP>TM</SUP>
presented by Car and Driver Magazine
Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Wet Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points
1 5 Porsche Cayman GTR SSGT1 SB 0.921 G 360 Donald Barnes, Leh Keen
2 39 BMW E46 M3 SSGT1 SB 0.918 G 355 Catesby Jones,
3 51 VW GTI SSGT2 SB 0.911 G 350 Bill Unwin, Reg Noble
4 11 Dodge Challenger SRT- SSGT2 BB 0.907 G 345 Kowalski, Super Soul
5 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo SSGT1 BB 0.902 G 340 Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
6 10 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 0.897 G 335 Chuck Veth, Adam Strelczuk
7 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 0.886 G 330 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp
8 34 BMW 135i SSGT2 SB 0.885 G 325 Victor Hall, Alex May, James Clay
9 100 Nissan GT-R SSGT1 BB 0.882 G 320 Tony Swan, Mary Seelhorst
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presented by Car and Driver Magazine
Event 1 - Tire Rack - Wet Skid Pad
Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Wet Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points
1 5 Porsche Cayman GTR SSGT1 SB 0.921 G 360 Donald Barnes, Leh Keen
2 39 BMW E46 M3 SSGT1 SB 0.918 G 355 Catesby Jones,
3 51 VW GTI SSGT2 SB 0.911 G 350 Bill Unwin, Reg Noble
4 11 Dodge Challenger SRT- SSGT2 BB 0.907 G 345 Kowalski, Super Soul
5 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo SSGT1 BB 0.902 G 340 Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
6 10 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 0.897 G 335 Chuck Veth, Adam Strelczuk
7 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 0.886 G 330 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp
8 34 BMW 135i SSGT2 SB 0.885 G 325 Victor Hall, Alex May, James Clay
9 100 Nissan GT-R SSGT1 BB 0.882 G 320 Tony Swan, Mary Seelhorst
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#408
10-07-2008, 07:24 PM
This may be a little off subject and maybe not. Also probably a question for "our leader", HC. I was over on the Rennlist website reading what they had to say about the Porsche accusation. One poster brought up an interesting point I don't think I have read before. He indicated that in all the magazine articles in which the GTR has been compared to the 997TT, he did not think any of the TT's had the optional limited slip differential, which he speculated might make quite a difference in the TT track times. A second poster concurred with him that none of the TTs used in the comparisons had the LSD. I know this is a sore topic with Cayman owners like me, who don't even have it as an option. Any opinions on whether LSD would help? I apologize if this has already been discussed elsewhere.
#409
10-07-2008, 07:48 PM
actually i dont. like i mentioned before i just asked a simple question, whether or not the cars were modified. you can throw as many question marks, quotes, and bolded text at me as you want... as if i was here to defend the GTR.
#410
10-07-2008, 07:53 PM
Boy your memory is about 5 posts short. Is this not you? did he not answer your question? can you not research things for yourself? your 18 and you do not know how to use a computer?
Now, I will answer your question as to what I know. I think the Viper was modded and I think that the winning 996TT had a tune and exhaust. Which is what the "ringer" brings to the table these days.
you reading the facts that I post about actual owners competing against each other?
2008 Tire Rack
Cannonball
One Lap of America<SUP>TM</SUP>
presented by Car and Driver Magazine
Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points 1 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 1.095 G 360 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp
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2 25 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette 3 2 Dodge Hennessey Viper
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4 4 Mongoose GTP
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5 27 WCM Ultralite S2K 6 22 Porsche GT3
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7 18 Porsche GT-3
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8 9 Porsche 996TT
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9 16 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
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10 10 Porsche 911 GT3
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11 8 Ford GT
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12 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo
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13 39 BMW E46 M3
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14 53 Mazda Miata
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15 67 Toyota Yaris LB
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16 20 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
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17 24 Dodge Viper SRT/10
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18 58 Volkswagen Jetta GLI
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19 15 Dodge SRT-4
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20 61 Honda Odyssey
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21 11 Dodge Challenger SRT-
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22 35 Ford Mustang GT
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23 100 Nissan GT-R
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you reading the facts that I post about actual owners competing against each other?
2008 Tire Rack
Cannonball
One Lap of America<SUP>TM</SUP>
presented by Car and Driver Magazine
Event 20 - Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad
Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points 1 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 1.095 G 360 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp
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2 25 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette 3 2 Dodge Hennessey Viper
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4 4 Mongoose GTP
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5 27 WCM Ultralite S2K 6 22 Porsche GT3
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7 18 Porsche GT-3
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8 9 Porsche 996TT
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9 16 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
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10 10 Porsche 911 GT3
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11 8 Ford GT
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12 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo
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13 39 BMW E46 M3
</PRE>
14 53 Mazda Miata
</PRE>
15 67 Toyota Yaris LB
</PRE>
16 20 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
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17 24 Dodge Viper SRT/10
</PRE>
18 58 Volkswagen Jetta GLI
</PRE>
19 15 Dodge SRT-4
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20 61 Honda Odyssey
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21 11 Dodge Challenger SRT-
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22 35 Ford Mustang GT
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23 100 Nissan GT-R
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#411
10-07-2008, 08:12 PM
Boy your memory is about 5 posts short. Is this not you? did he not answer your question? can you not research things for yourself? your 18 and you do not know how to use a computer?
Now, I will answer your question as to what I know. I think the Viper was modded and I think that the winning 996TT had a tune and exhaust. Which is what the "ringer" brings to the table these days.
you reading the facts that I post about actual owners competing against each other?
2008 Tire Rack
Cannonball
One Lap of America<SUP>TM</SUP>
presented by Car and Driver Magazine
Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points 1 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 1.095 G 360 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp
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2 25 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette 3 2 Dodge Hennessey Viper
</PRE>
4 4 Mongoose GTP
</PRE>
5 27 WCM Ultralite S2K 6 22 Porsche GT3
</PRE>
7 18 Porsche GT-3
</PRE>
8 9 Porsche 996TT
</PRE>
9 16 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
</PRE>
10 10 Porsche 911 GT3
</PRE>
11 8 Ford GT
</PRE>
12 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo
</PRE>
13 39 BMW E46 M3
</PRE>
14 53 Mazda Miata
</PRE>
15 67 Toyota Yaris LB
</PRE>
16 20 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
</PRE>
17 24 Dodge Viper SRT/10
</PRE>
18 58 Volkswagen Jetta GLI
</PRE>
19 15 Dodge SRT-4
</PRE>
20 61 Honda Odyssey
</PRE>
21 11 Dodge Challenger SRT-
</PRE>
22 35 Ford Mustang GT
</PRE>
23 100 Nissan GT-R
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Now, I will answer your question as to what I know. I think the Viper was modded and I think that the winning 996TT had a tune and exhaust. Which is what the "ringer" brings to the table these days.
you reading the facts that I post about actual owners competing against each other?
2008 Tire Rack
Cannonball
One Lap of America<SUP>TM</SUP>
presented by Car and Driver Magazine
Event 20 - Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad
Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points 1 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 1.095 G 360 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp
</PRE>
2 25 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette 3 2 Dodge Hennessey Viper
</PRE>
4 4 Mongoose GTP
</PRE>
5 27 WCM Ultralite S2K 6 22 Porsche GT3
</PRE>
7 18 Porsche GT-3
</PRE>
8 9 Porsche 996TT
</PRE>
9 16 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
</PRE>
10 10 Porsche 911 GT3
</PRE>
11 8 Ford GT
</PRE>
12 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo
</PRE>
13 39 BMW E46 M3
</PRE>
14 53 Mazda Miata
</PRE>
15 67 Toyota Yaris LB
</PRE>
16 20 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
</PRE>
17 24 Dodge Viper SRT/10
</PRE>
18 58 Volkswagen Jetta GLI
</PRE>
19 15 Dodge SRT-4
</PRE>
20 61 Honda Odyssey
</PRE>
21 11 Dodge Challenger SRT-
</PRE>
22 35 Ford Mustang GT
</PRE>
23 100 Nissan GT-R
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you brought up something about 996TTs and prices. i said who cares about prices i just asked a question. then you threw time tables at me asking if i had something meaningful say. i said no, i just asked a question, and to stop throwing time tables at me as if i was defending the GTR. Now your throwing more graphs at me as if you are trying to make a point. when will this end?
#412
10-07-2008, 08:34 PM
yeah that was me, Sir, i appreciate you attempting to check out my memory. he did answer my question and like you pointed out, i said i stood corrected. when did research, age, and computer skills come into this?
you brought up something about 996TTs and prices. i said who cares about prices i just asked a question. then you threw time tables at me asking if i had something meaningful say. i said no, i just asked a question, and to stop throwing time tables at me as if i was defending the GTR. Now your throwing more graphs at me as if you are trying to make a point. when will this end?
you brought up something about 996TTs and prices. i said who cares about prices i just asked a question. then you threw time tables at me asking if i had something meaningful say. i said no, i just asked a question, and to stop throwing time tables at me as if i was defending the GTR. Now your throwing more graphs at me as if you are trying to make a point. when will this end?
NEVER!!!! you see this is a porsche forum and when the GTR fanboy crowd brings up the GTR in here we have to rub their noses a bit. I understand you are not defending the GTR and no issue there. Just sounded a bit like you were.
but to answer your question, yes, I do think we need to throw data at them. The funny thing is that GTR owners are already *****ing about their own cars and how the trannies have to be replaced and they have trouble with them and 7k brake jobs etc. They need no help from us...
#413
10-07-2008, 08:38 PM
NEVER!!!! you see this is a porsche forum and when the GTR fanboy crowd brings up the GTR in here we have to rub their noses a bit. I understand you are not defending the GTR and no issue there. Just sounded a bit like you were.
but to answer your question, yes, I do think we need to throw data at them. The funny thing is that GTR owners are already *****ing about their own cars and how the trannies have to be replaced and they have trouble with them and 7k brake jobs etc. They need no help from us...
but to answer your question, yes, I do think we need to throw data at them. The funny thing is that GTR owners are already *****ing about their own cars and how the trannies have to be replaced and they have trouble with them and 7k brake jobs etc. They need no help from us...
personally if i could i would have all 4 lol.
#415
10-07-2008, 10:03 PM
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Saw on their board where the trannies are falling apart right and left, and they void your warranty. Real nice nissan.
#416
10-07-2008, 11:28 PM
This may be a little off subject and maybe not. Also probably a question for "our leader", HC. I was over on the Rennlist website reading what they had to say about the Porsche accusation. One poster brought up an interesting point I don't think I have read before. He indicated that in all the magazine articles in which the GTR has been compared to the 997TT, he did not think any of the TT's had the optional limited slip differential, which he speculated might make quite a difference in the TT track times. A second poster concurred with him that none of the TTs used in the comparisons had the LSD. I know this is a sore topic with Cayman owners like me, who don't even have it as an option. Any opinions on whether LSD would help? I apologize if this has already been discussed elsewhere.
As for the LSD on the Cayman, the new 320bhp Cayman S (with the DFI engine), will in fact have the option of LSD.
Maybe you should look into changing your car soon.
#417
10-08-2008, 05:46 AM
It is a good point. I wonder why then, Porsche Turbo owners for the most part didn't choose that option (Axle-Lock Differential). Can anyone here answer that?
As for the LSD on the Cayman, the new 320bhp Cayman S (with the DFI engine), will in fact have the option of LSD. Maybe you should look into changing your car soon.
As for the LSD on the Cayman, the new 320bhp Cayman S (with the DFI engine), will in fact have the option of LSD.
Maybe you should look into changing your car soon.
#418
10-08-2008, 07:02 AM
Now Nissan is begging Porsche to retract their statement:
http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...ID=#Post480926
And GT-R owners are starting a class action lawsuit over the tranny issue:
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....dpost&p=361917
http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...ID=#Post480926
And GT-R owners are starting a class action lawsuit over the tranny issue:
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....dpost&p=361917
#419
10-08-2008, 07:35 AM
Now Nissan is begging Porsche to retract their statement:
http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...ID=#Post480926
And GT-R owners are starting a class action lawsuit over the tranny issue:
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....dpost&p=361917
http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...ID=#Post480926
And GT-R owners are starting a class action lawsuit over the tranny issue:
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....dpost&p=361917
