Tell that to the Ferrari's and Ford GT's in ALMS

 

I'd rather Porsche just show them.

 

It was up to them to show Porsche. Hasnt worked just yet.


7 of 9 ALMS titles and counting. 911 FTW.

 

The Mini must have had the LSD option...

 

Porsche is afraid the Cayman will kill it's big brother.

 

That explains it!

 

And the company, the cayman isnt different or substantial enough to be the flagship of Porsche who's history has largely been built on the 911. Porsche has tried to push the 911 out with a more balanced platform and it failed, and would fail again.



The only advantage to using a cayman is that a V8 or bigger could easily fit in it (at least one designed for a V8)

 

But it has the motor where Gmund #1 did! I know, I know, the 911 is Porsche and the diehards won't have it any other way. I was a 911 diehard for over 35 years, but I jumped ship when the Cayman appeared. However, I love all things Porsche, even the Cayenne (it makes them lots of money!). But, I'm getting off topic, so I'll shut up about the Cayman.

Interestingly, Nissan has not responded to Porsche's claim other than to say they need driving lessons, and something about us waitng til April '09. Wouldn't it be so easy to pull a GTR off the floor at random and invite all sorts of folks to come out and time it with Mr. Suzuki at the wheel?

 

There is no doubt that the GT3 was hitting the turns harder and braking later, there is also no doubt that the GTR was much faster on the straights. What I am talking about is the GTR going around the curves. It's massive weight was evident in the luimbering motion and how it wanted to plow straight. It was not taking the turns near as easily as the GT3.

 

Agreed, different day, different debate.



Nissan will never respond, but you can bet they'll be back at the ring claiming faster and faster times with the base model. By this time next year the base model will be low 7:20's wait and see.

Like I said, NO TELEMETRY will ever show up, and any honest group would know that's the vindication.

Neither will Nissan agree to having a third party show up with a showroom stock GT-R and they not touch it and run the time. Because it's not going to happen. Unless of course they build some ring spec GT-R's for Europe and have one of those show up.


Nissan = Fail.

 

If Nissan is really sure about the GTR, I say they should show up at the next 24 hours of Nurburgring with a few. Let's see what kind of laps they turn under some sort of scrutiny, and lets see how long the trannys last.

 

Well, I doubt Nissan will do that because:

 

 

You are such a twit.

 

Hi guys, my first post here (obviously). Briefly, I am a long term Porsche fan, but have yet to own one. One of my favorite P cars is the Carrera GT, heavenly to watch in motion and to hear as well. I currently have an E92 M3. I appreciate the performance per dollar ratio compared to Porsche with this car.

I have lurked around here a lot especially on this very interesting thread. I very much enjoyed the skepticism and analysis of the GT-R. I have posted quite a bit on this topic over at m3post.com. In my recent work I used CarTest physics based automobile performance software along with a lot of regression analysis to make some predictions about the power of the 7:29 GT-R "specimen" in particular. I'll "force" you to head over there rather than blow the "surprise" of my conclusion right away. This effort was definitely inspired by the work here of HC and petevb - thanks guys. Have a look here if interested. I know quite a few of you will be. Warning: Long, technical and pretty nerdy!

Cheers guys.



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