Not really, certainly not like Sport Cups and similar.

No - just over one degree negative camber I believe.

193 mph wouldn't suggest low gearing to me.

It's fairly hard in "R", but have you ever been in a GT3?

 

Z07 the Dunlops read the same as a Sport Cup and R888 on a durometer - the is empirical measurements not heresay. It explains why a "200" treadwear tire would last only 5k miles if the camber is only -1.0 or so


BTW if the GTR is such a great track car, why do only non-track people seem to be buying these cars? A quick scan of Naglock shows thread after thread of 1/4 mile and 0-60 runs.

 

The POINT is that it doesnt matter which graph you use, the data clearly shows either your 600 hp TT had a big problem or you werent using all the power and therefore your theory is bogus, and much of all the data and opinions you have expressed are as well.

By your own admission you've added power to a car that you were scared to drive at the limit, so dont place limitations on the car because of YOUR fear.
You claim that it takes that much hp and Rcomps to beat the GT-R in the TT. You have an obvious man love for the GT-R, and it's clouding your judgment.

If you posted this as trying to be neutral it would have been received that way, but you obviously are nothing of the sort, leaving out pertinent information and just plain not making any sense.

You can backpedal back to the stock arguement, but this thread is obviously about a stock TT on MPSC according to Porsches testing being faster than the GT-R. This setup is still suggestive of a TT win even with the mags you continue to refer too. So there is something to be discussed here because the comparison has only been made by Porsche and the Mag results dont answer the querry.

Since the GT-R's tires are rcomps in disguise, putting them on equal tires is the best measure anyways. So while we are exposing Nissan for what they are in here, let's continue with the tires. Need I go through that again for you?

 

997MK2 PDK ate it alive at just 380 ponies is just pure embarrasment for the Nissan

 

Didn't you read the internal memo? That PDK Porsche was a RINGER

In that comparison GT-R(DCT) and C2S(PDK) = MASH THROTTLE AND POINT!
What excuse will we hear now.

 

It's clear that the Drivers Republic acceleration video is anomalous.

Check every other test result.

 

As far as the alignment, on nagtoc, they say the car comes with the track alignment, but the dealers have changed, at owners request, to a street setting to improve tire wear.

 

Same goes with any other car, whether it be a 997tt, M3, or GTR. Most people that would buy this cars will probably never take their car to any Track at all let alone a Track course. And more importantly, Track courses are more difficult and more dangerous and are not as easy accesible as a 1/4 mile track, especially here in the East Coast. Of course there are people that would take their cars to any track, and this guy from this thread is one good example.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...vs-my-gtr.html

If you look at all of the M5board.com videos and videos in Streetfire.net, they're are mostly if not all straightline races. And many cars that are in M5board.com are track course cars such as Porsches, BMWs, and Ferraris.

 

I think we need to give some credit where it is due. Heavychevy predicted that once the GTRs got on the road and started racing cars like the 997TT and Z06, the GTR owners were going to be in for a real let down, especially in rolling start races. Now that it has become obvious that LC is a ticking timebomb in the GTR, most of the encounters are going to be rolling start or a non launch controlled dead start. These videos we are seeing clearly show that HC saw the writing on the wall.

 

I can promise you there are more TT's at the road course than at the drag strip. Most any PCA event will show you that Porsches are the anomaly to that rule. GT3's first, TT's and Caymans, boxsters, and previous generations will all be more readily viewable at the track than any drag strip or street race.

The same cannot be said for the GT-R. There will be more at the strip, in car shows, with mega body kits and 22's than anywhere on the track.

 

BS.

Sport Cups suck in the wet, at least store bought ones. Porsche spec MPSC are not as fast as the main stream ones because Porsche had them designed for more wet weather compatibility. They have 30% more grooves which equals loss of traction and handling capability compared to the normal MPSC.

In comes the RE070's and Sp600's which are the only non R-compound street tire that can support the cornering forces of a 4000 lb car with hot tire pressures of 29-32 PSI. Any normal street tire would roll and buckle because the sidewalls are too soft. Not even other runflats can run at those pressures effectively with that much weight on them.

1.5* of negative camber will not kill a set of street tires in 5k miles either. And that rating is for the street not the track which would cut that to a few hundred miles. For proof, look at the One Lap of America where they cover over 7500 miles total on one set of tires with aggressive alignments for the track.

Now to the durometer testing where even cold RE070's have been found as soft as NT-01's and R888's, which are easily on par with the normal MPSC and you can see how easily the playing field has been evened with the R-comp. In fact the GT-R tires can run lower pressures than anything other than full slicks. Even semi slicks run hot temps in the mid 30's to 40 psi or so on heavier cars. And the tire temps I got for the GT-R are from a Nissan test driver in response to being asked the question of the best temps.

When we start seeing tests on the same kind of tires, a lot will come to light, and that time is coming.

 

Uhhh, there's really not much GTR's around.

 

They are both slow and will be taken out by a Supra on the streets! haha



LOL, don't take me seriously.

 

Not a bad day at all, kind of a light one spent with my girl who is visiting. Back to the grind tomorrow

95% was an exaggeration for certain, but also a reference to members in this thread only. I'd say 99% of P-car owners don't care about this ridiculous debate one way or another aside from curiosity.
I absolutely agree about marketing, and the way warranty was handled is appalling. No questions there. LC should be covered or removed even if it is abuse...IMO.
Finally I think the GTR is showing how even a 4000lb fat *** can actually track without much issue. I'm heading out to Vegas mid-Nov and will be tracking quite a few cars including a GTR, have driven one for a while but haven't tracked it yet. Looking forward to it. From what I have heard from my friend who owns it, he isn't complaining...


Hardly a roid rage...I didn't tell you nor anyone to shut up or anything of that nature. I haven't even posted in the last 30 or so pages. Just because I post something against you doesn't mean I'm roid raging. Look at my words, try to understand them. Any perceived "anger" is on your part.I'm not e-yelling or nothing...just not agreeing with SOME things you said/did.

Just because I point out the proven futility of this thread and the immaturity of a lot of the members calling each other fanboys and resorting to personal insults instead of debate isn't a roid rage, just the truth. Sorry.

This thread has gone on the same way for the last 50 pages as the first 30. What has really been gained? People keep coming with the same ol' thing and no one is convinced one way or another.

READ FROM HERE if you want my issue with you HC.

My problem with your post was that you actually referred to an amateur race between a TT and a GTR on youtube as evidence that the GTR is slow after discrediting many other videos with equal if not more validity just because it was pro-TT and not GTR. If you are going to use your experience as the basis for argument, let this petty crap go. Just looking for consistency.

Finally, Chris is a member who has put himself out there and posted data and you have incited mob mentality against a fellow TT owner just because he can appreciate the GTR and believes in it's capability. He is one member that owns both and has provided and real track data and yet despite anything he says you try your hardest to discredit everything he posts. You have to rip apart the ONE guy with something real to post as if it's not valid at all and the bandwagon follows. I know you are discussing real data, it's the best thing that has come in this thread in nearly 40 pages. I'm just saying from the perspective of a person who was checking in every now and then, I don't know why Chris would bother discussing with you...

Consider this my perennial BS check because I can/had time. Consider it out of boredom while my girl was napping, consider it out of entertainment to once again bring back perspective on how stupid this is. Don't be insulted...just having fun. No roids here. As for troll? I don't know where anything was pro-GTR there but that's your usual response to me whenever I disagree with you about anything. Missed ya big guy

 

Where did I say anything was slow? And here I go giving you credit for having some sense.

And you keep trying to tell me to let it go, why? Because it's offensive to your GT-R to see data and real car discussions and details which you have no clue about? Man get outta here.

I've made my points clear about Chris's posts, I dont need to reiterate them for lack of comprehension.

You disagree with anyone here who is pro Porsche, which is what I keep trying to tell you dufus. THAT MAKES YOU A TROLL!!!!