997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#1201
10-27-2008, 07:03 PM
Same goes with any other car, whether it be a 997tt, M3, or GTR. Most people that would buy this cars will probably never take their car to any Track at all let alone a Track course. And more importantly, Track courses are more difficult and more dangerous and are not as easy accesible as a 1/4 mile track, especially here in the East Coast. Of course there are people that would take their cars to any track, and this guy from this thread is one good example.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...vs-my-gtr.html
If you look at all of the M5board.com videos and videos in Streetfire.net, they're are mostly if not all straightline races. And many cars that are in M5board.com are track course cars such as Porsches, BMWs, and Ferraris.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...vs-my-gtr.html
If you look at all of the M5board.com videos and videos in Streetfire.net, they're are mostly if not all straightline races. And many cars that are in M5board.com are track course cars such as Porsches, BMWs, and Ferraris.
Just amongst my friends there were 3 997TT's, 1 997Gt2, 1 996Gt3 in the pic above which was shot this past weekend at TWS. There were another 5 997TT's at the event besides us. To be fair, there were 3 GTR's but they were in the toddler group.
Saying that people who really like to track would take a 4000lb car is like saying people who really like to hunt bear would take a .177 pellet gun. People who know the difference recognize the folly instantly. To be fair, even a 3500lb 997TT is too fat to be an ideal track steed.
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10-27-2008, 07:40 PM
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You supposedly live in the UK. YOU of all people should know how well those guys on the DR can drive. AND the Carrera beat the Audi and the Aston.
I talked to Steve of the DR and they repeated that test over and over.
it was NOT anomalous.
PLUS Show me ANOTHER test with a 911 PDK?
It's clear that the Drivers Republic acceleration video is anomalous.
Check every other test result.
Check every other test result.
I talked to Steve of the DR and they repeated that test over and over.
it was NOT anomalous.
PLUS Show me ANOTHER test with a 911 PDK?
#1203
10-27-2008, 09:35 PM
Take your pick. Chris... a fair, independent journalist which would err on the side of a GT2 or a biased, inexperienced dolt who can't drive properly.
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#1204
10-27-2008, 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by OldGuy
Here is a video of a Porsche 385 HP PDK beating the GT-R in a Drag race by the guys at Driver republic.
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...4e&area=videos
Not some guy with tractor at Fernly. So how in THE HELL does a 480HP DAT-SUN beat the 610hp 997 TT?? You have lost all credibility with that one.
That has to be the most gravitational challenged load of crap I have ever heard(that means the load of crap will float off into the ether never to be heard from again!)
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...4e&area=videos
Not some guy with tractor at Fernly. So how in THE HELL does a 480HP DAT-SUN beat the 610hp 997 TT?? You have lost all credibility with that one.
That has to be the most gravitational challenged load of crap I have ever heard(that means the load of crap will float off into the ether never to be heard from again!)
Originally Posted by OldGuy
Its DOES agree with one think Chrisn says. The dual clutch is VERY important. SO important that the 385 hp Carrera beats the GT-R comfortably.
So given Chrisn's figures the 610hp TT with the PDK should beat the holy crap out of the GTR by maybe 2 minutes!
This video is with race driver testers
On the track segment the GTR beat the 911 (a regular 911 NOT a 911S or EVEN a 610Hp SUPER TWIN TURBO 911!!!) by 4 seconds at Silverstone. The SAME 911 the GT-R LOST to in a DRAG race. HOW IN THE HELL is it going to beat a car with 225 MORE hp than the lil' 911 it LOST TOO!!!!!!
I would guess at Silverstone the 610HP TT would beat that GT-R by 10 seconds.
I just showed a video of a 385hp Stock 911S beating the GT-R in a straight line. THEN the GT-R beat the 911 by 4 seconds on Silverstone with Race driver tester. If the 911 had 225 more horsepower it would smash the GT-R with those same test drivers- Simple as that.
So given Chrisn's figures the 610hp TT with the PDK should beat the holy crap out of the GTR by maybe 2 minutes!
This video is with race driver testers
On the track segment the GTR beat the 911 (a regular 911 NOT a 911S or EVEN a 610Hp SUPER TWIN TURBO 911!!!) by 4 seconds at Silverstone. The SAME 911 the GT-R LOST to in a DRAG race. HOW IN THE HELL is it going to beat a car with 225 MORE hp than the lil' 911 it LOST TOO!!!!!!
I would guess at Silverstone the 610HP TT would beat that GT-R by 10 seconds.
I just showed a video of a 385hp Stock 911S beating the GT-R in a straight line. THEN the GT-R beat the 911 by 4 seconds on Silverstone with Race driver tester. If the 911 had 225 more horsepower it would smash the GT-R with those same test drivers- Simple as that.
So, if you are using DR as a benchmark and their "race driver testers", what happened here?
997 GT2 - 2:10.10 ; (http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...6a&area=videos)
GT-R telemetry lap - 2:10.20 : When referring to the Porsche, he is talking about the 911 PDK. The GT2 lap was on a seperate day. (http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_t...06&area=videos
A tenth of a second difference. I did not use this as a benchmark, remember, you chose it. So let's (on a very basic level) extrapolate those figures.
You say a a 997 TT with 610bhp "at a guess" would beat the GT-R by 10 seconds.
A 530bhp GT2 beats a GT-R by 0.1 seconds. Basic telemetry and video provided for both cars. By Drivers Republic (your source) and DR and their "race driver testers".
So, adding 80bhp to a GT2 should therefore see an increase of "at a guess" 9.9 seconds. Halving your guess, it still is still way, way off. To be fair, you would actually have to add less than that if you are comparing a GT2 to a TT.
This is why it's sometimes useless to argue numbers. Absolutely useless as your "guess" has shown. Ask Steve
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10-27-2008, 10:07 PM
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Its all torque. That was a 997 TT with PDK I guessed would beat the GT-R by 10 seconds
ALL the Crap in this thread and you pick on that? Read the whole thread you socialist.
BTW who were you last time? Your last handle that is? Before you got banned last time?
ALL the Crap in this thread and you pick on that? Read the whole thread you socialist.
BTW who were you last time? Your last handle that is? Before you got banned last time?
Last edited by OldGuy; 10-27-2008 at 10:13 PM.
#1206
10-27-2008, 10:25 PM
So perhaps you would like to explain your 10 second estimate? I guess you already have as you have stated bhp and PDK at Silverstone...no tyre choice, track temp etc. Just a guess on your part but you choose this figure to prove an umproveable point (at this stage). Reverse it and have a guess at a C2S Silverstone time *without* PDK. Do the figures still stack up?
I'm interested to know what you think of the GT2 vs GT-R laps as posted on Drivers Republic. Because if you take your guess and your figures, a 911 C2S with PDK should run a GT2 very, very close in a short drag and should not be 4.7 seconds behind a GT-R.
As far as who I am, I have never posted here before, my IP is legit and any mod can check it. Never been banned from here either, but have been watching this thread with interest.
Another wrong guess. Still, you are in touch with Steve D, ask him his thoughts on the GT-R and then ask him to consult his "race driver testers" who drove the GT2 and GT-R around Silverstone.
Your source mate, your choice. So I'm guessing you'll agree that a GT-R is only a tenth slower than a 997 GT2?
Last edited by ItsAllTorque; 10-27-2008 at 10:30 PM.
#1207
10-27-2008, 10:33 PM
I agree, alot of crap in this thread from both sides. I did pick up on that, just as you chose to pick up that particular point and run with it.
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10-28-2008, 12:19 AM
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You just dont give up do you?
#1212
10-28-2008, 04:27 AM
I may be naive, but I still don't understand why the GT-R is so fast if it weighs 4000lbs and has 480bhp. Is there some kind of 'secret sauce' that Nissan adds to the car?
#1213
10-28-2008, 05:42 AM
No - as heavychevy has categorically (and very scientifically) proven, every GT-R in existence is a ringer.
The only one that isn't is the one which was filmed doing an acceleration run on the Drivers Republic website. By the time it got onto the circuit, Nissan realised their error and immediately sent their Black Ops team to "ring" it without anyone noticing, so that it could then set an extremely quick lap time.
The real answer is that the cars seem to be making a little more than 480 bhp and have a very advanced and effective chassis, evidence of which is obvious when you drive the car (obviously, the doubters don't need to drive the car or believe the test reviews to know that it's all one big Nissan scam).
The only one that isn't is the one which was filmed doing an acceleration run on the Drivers Republic website. By the time it got onto the circuit, Nissan realised their error and immediately sent their Black Ops team to "ring" it without anyone noticing, so that it could then set an extremely quick lap time.
The real answer is that the cars seem to be making a little more than 480 bhp and have a very advanced and effective chassis, evidence of which is obvious when you drive the car (obviously, the doubters don't need to drive the car or believe the test reviews to know that it's all one big Nissan scam).
#1214
10-28-2008, 06:43 AM
I have to say it is a very respectable performance from the GTR. But let's be real, it is more "Chicken Little" than "Godzilla"
#1215
10-28-2008, 07:19 AM
The Nurburgring Nissan GTR was faster than the ZR1 in the main straight of the ring. Why was this particular GTR far slower in all departments than both the ZR1 and the GT2?
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