997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
#1321
11-02-2008, 09:49 AM
HC, I'm wondering if even the second "trick" is really valid. The GTR is probably the easier car to learn to drive fast, but what good is that if it blows up after a few laps of hard driving. We still don't have any data in terms of how it holds up under sustained competition.
Mine has been driven hard for about 500-600 track miles with no issues. That's not a lot, I realize, but it is some indication that it is not a fragile car.
#1323
11-02-2008, 11:19 AM
The Cayman, for example, came out in 2006. It did extremely well at The 2007 Nurburgring 24, so well in fact, that Porsche threatened their own customers with the prospect of withdrawal of support, so you saw none at the 2008 race. The GTR was born and bred on the 'ring. So it ought to be ready to prove something there, other than one fast lap under questionable conditions. It needs to show up at the 24 hour 'ring and prove it self. I know the Caymans were highly modified, but Nissan can modify the GTR under the same rules. If it takes the first 5 places, it would shut a lot of us up. At least I would think. I want to see it offer proof under standardized conditions for everyone. One GTR didn't look too bad at the rally in Australia, or was it Tasmania. But then, there was One-Lap also. And then there was von Saurma's lap. And then the lap by the Porsche engineer. So far all we have is "gobbledegook". We need more proof.
#1324
11-02-2008, 11:39 AM
Who is Z07?
NAGTROC is American. Americans are bizarrely hung up on performance figures.
Elsewhere, how the thing actually drives is infinitely more important than a fraction of a sceond in the quarter mile, to 60 or some entirely pointless skidpan number. The reason the GT-R has been praised has very little to do with performance figures.
A high proportion of future GT-R owners in the UK are currently Porsche owners. None I have spoken too has regretted their choice after driving the car (actually driving - not spouting numbers they have read on the internet or making a decision based on some YouTube video or the retarded comments made thereon).
NAGTROC is American. Americans are bizarrely hung up on performance figures.
Elsewhere, how the thing actually drives is infinitely more important than a fraction of a sceond in the quarter mile, to 60 or some entirely pointless skidpan number. The reason the GT-R has been praised has very little to do with performance figures.
A high proportion of future GT-R owners in the UK are currently Porsche owners. None I have spoken too has regretted their choice after driving the car (actually driving - not spouting numbers they have read on the internet or making a decision based on some YouTube video or the retarded comments made thereon).
#1325
11-02-2008, 12:15 PM
Post #6 and the fanboys agree with him
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/106837-te...-zr1-wins.html
They'd pick up a GT3 for 100k but NOT a GTR
1st class racists/hypocrites are located in the UK, they just dunno which one to choose whenever their beloved GTR gets raped
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/106837-te...-zr1-wins.html
They'd pick up a GT3 for 100k but NOT a GTR
1st class racists/hypocrites are located in the UK, they just dunno which one to choose whenever their beloved GTR gets raped
LOL @ the basic misunderstanding of currency rates, overzealous use of smileys, and the use of GIANT UNDERLINED TEXT!! OMGZ!!
to make a point and fail miserably at it.
@ the thread resurrection after the page 85 lull. 100! 100! 
#1326
11-02-2008, 12:37 PM
#1327
11-02-2008, 12:50 PM
I didn't know G35 owners could distinguish between dollar & sterling
Hello ? have you noticed that I didn't bother using a $ sign ? I don't have a british keyboard smart ***!
Now go back to your cave and find a new excuse, then come back so that we can enjoy laughing at you and the rest of the dreamers/fanboys.
#1328
11-02-2008, 01:14 PM
I don't know if you're actually that stupid or intentionally dense.You referred to a GT3 being 100k in comparison to the GTR being more than that absolute figure. Now you claim that you never mentioned it was in dollars, in which case, a GTR starts at ~£52,000 for the regular model and ~£55000 for the premium (before the price increase) in the UK. That still puts it well below a GT3 at £100k as you now claimed...either way, your argument fails.
Also what in the hell does a Singapore price have to do with it, this isn't about absolute values, but relative ones. Boy you sure are clever. No way to poke a hole in that bulletproof logic...
"Oh noes! I didn't have the right keyboard to make my completely failed point, woe is me..."
Exactly.
Way to try to play the elitist card not realizing it makes you look more like a pompous *** than makes me look unintelligent. I wasn't aware that people started right out buying Porsches from day 1 of their lives. Apparently a TT was your first car you bought right?? No?
You don't know what I do or anything about me, yet you classify me into a group and assume I will never be able to afford a Porsche. Wow yes, in fact it is a dream of mine to own one, one day, didn't know dreaming was a sign of stupidity...
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet,
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
You my friend are another classic example of someone who tries to come off as blindingly intelligent by over using sarcasm, but instead has it blow up in their face as soon as someone actually responds to your idiotic comments.
Good try.
#1329
11-02-2008, 01:21 PM
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Mag reporters driving the car for one day are supposed to tell if one car is better than another by usually crappy driving on a road course?
THESE ARE STREET CARS, NOT RACE CARS.
On top of that, do the magazines mention that the GT-R costs more to maintain than the TT, thereby after tracking it for a while you negate the MSRP advantage? Do they take into account the clunky shifting on the street? The harsher ride, Nissan service, or the fact that the 0-60 times they (the magazine) is advertising cant be done without voiding the warranty? Do they even mention the TT is still easily faster in the context that most will use them both (highway blasts etc)? How about the creaks and rattles? I'm sure you saw what happend to the long term test car, they had to POS it lots of times.
You must be kidding if you think a mag test after one day of driving can tell you what is a better car, because obviously with this Nissan, there is more than meets the eye. If you could see past magazines, you'd be able to discern that for yourself.
#1330
11-02-2008, 01:52 PM
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This is just silliness at it best really. While Porsche was accusing Nissan of Cheating,Chevrolet made no accusions,they went old school ,just put the ZR1 on the Nurb and it wiped pretty much everything ,Now what is Chervolet also cheating. Anyways let the silly games continue.
,Now what is Chervolet also cheating. Anyways let the silly games continue.
#1331
11-02-2008, 02:07 PM
#1332
11-02-2008, 02:07 PM
I don't know if you're actually that stupid or intentionally dense.You referred to a GT3 being 100k in comparison to the GTR being more than that absolute figure. Now you claim that you never mentioned it was in dollars, in which case, a GTR starts at ~£52,000 for the regular model and ~£55000 for the premium (before the price increase) in the UK. That still puts it well below a GT3 at £100k as you now claimed...either way, your argument fails.
Also what in the hell does a Singapore price have to do with it, this isn't about absolute values, but relative ones. Boy you sure are clever. No way to poke a hole in that bulletproof logic...
You can copy and paste the '£' sign. I know that's a pretty complicated process, especially for a lowly "G35 owner like me" to figure out. But good work suggesting that you didn't post it because it wasn't on your keyboard. Top notch reasoning, way to be outsmarted by the ol' Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V maneuver.
"Oh noes! I didn't have the right keyboard to make my completely failed point, woe is me..."
Are you now attacking a complete group of people's intelligence based on the car they drive? I'm sorry what do you do again? What Porsche do you own? How many times have you driven a GTR?
Exactly.
Way to try to play the elitist card not realizing it makes you look more like a pompous *** than makes me look unintelligent. I wasn't aware that people started right out buying Porsches from day 1 of their lives. Apparently a TT was your first car you bought right?? No?
You don't know what I do or anything about me, yet you classify me into a group and assume I will never be able to afford a Porsche. Wow yes, in fact it is a dream of mine to own one, one day, didn't know dreaming was a sign of stupidity...
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet,
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
You my friend are another classic example of someone who tries to come off as blindingly intelligent by over using sarcasm, but instead has it blow up in their face as soon as someone actually responds to your idiotic comments.
Good try.
Save your stupidity for yourself, I don't wanna end up buying a Nissan/Infiniti smart-***!
#1333
11-02-2008, 03:11 PM
We'll see I suppose. The two I have driven had lived hard lives, but felt tight and were rattle-free. Obviously, compared to that paragon of build and materials quality that is the Corvette ...
UK reviews actually use the car on the road and the track. That is what makes them more relevant. If you could see past your blinkers, you'd be able to discern that for yourself.
#1334
11-02-2008, 03:33 PM
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Who cares, still too limited to take into all the factors that make a car truly better. And since there are so many drastic issues surfacing, that couldnt be found on a one day test drive, it makes perfect sense that they cant make such a declaration.
Ask edmunds what they think after testing one long term. Were they not the media, the warranty would have been void from LC!!!!!!
20k OUT OF POCKET!!!!!!!!!
Have you ever had a Porsche serviced at an official dealership? In the UK (at least) I would be hugely surprised if servicing costs are similar.
Yes I have, and it doesnt cost as much as the Nissan, which is really bad. Maybe if you said Ferrari you'd be closer.
I'd forgotten that you had extensive experience of driving one. Nissan service - to date, the dealer I have ordered with have been pretty good (although they obviously haven't done much). There are ten specialist "High Performance Centres" which sell and will service the car in the UK.
Cars delivered with chipped wheels, paint peeling, salt deposits, engine decay, on open trailers and one guy who's not even allowed to work on the car at the dealer so you have to wait for Japanese techs to fly in for anything other than POS type services. The same guy that had only two weeks training on the car.
I could go on.
As has been said, relevant only to rednecks and teenagers on the internet.
LOL, now the people who want to achieve what Nissan got advertised are redneck and teenagers?? HAHHAAH, pathetic.
It wast obviously important to Nissan to take the risk to advertise it. didnt know they had Japanese rednecks.
On real journeys, on real roads, I'm 100% convinced that the GT-R will be the faster car. Again, I don't buy a car so that I can film some pointless "race" with other rednecks and put it on YouTube for idiots on the internet to "argue" about.
Run out of constructive things to say as a rebuttal, so you attack people who want a realistic (meaning as advertised car)?
We'll see I suppose. The two I have driven had lived hard lives, but felt tight and were rattle-free. Obviously, compared to that paragon of build and materials quality that is the Corvette ...
This isnt about the Corvette. Again diversions.
UK reviews actually use the car on the road and the track. That is what makes them more relevant. If you could see past your blinkers, you'd be able to discern that for yourself.
Who cares, still too limited to take into all the factors that make a car truly better. And since there are so many drastic issues surfacing, that couldnt be found on a one day test drive, it makes perfect sense that they cant make such a declaration.
Ask edmunds what they think after testing one long term. Were they not the media, the warranty would have been void from LC!!!!!!
20k OUT OF POCKET!!!!!!!!!
Have you ever had a Porsche serviced at an official dealership? In the UK (at least) I would be hugely surprised if servicing costs are similar.
Yes I have, and it doesnt cost as much as the Nissan, which is really bad. Maybe if you said Ferrari you'd be closer.
I'd forgotten that you had extensive experience of driving one. Nissan service - to date, the dealer I have ordered with have been pretty good (although they obviously haven't done much). There are ten specialist "High Performance Centres" which sell and will service the car in the UK.
Cars delivered with chipped wheels, paint peeling, salt deposits, engine decay, on open trailers and one guy who's not even allowed to work on the car at the dealer so you have to wait for Japanese techs to fly in for anything other than POS type services. The same guy that had only two weeks training on the car.
I could go on.
As has been said, relevant only to rednecks and teenagers on the internet.
LOL, now the people who want to achieve what Nissan got advertised are redneck and teenagers?? HAHHAAH, pathetic.
It wast obviously important to Nissan to take the risk to advertise it. didnt know they had Japanese rednecks.
On real journeys, on real roads, I'm 100% convinced that the GT-R will be the faster car. Again, I don't buy a car so that I can film some pointless "race" with other rednecks and put it on YouTube for idiots on the internet to "argue" about.
Run out of constructive things to say as a rebuttal, so you attack people who want a realistic (meaning as advertised car)?
We'll see I suppose. The two I have driven had lived hard lives, but felt tight and were rattle-free. Obviously, compared to that paragon of build and materials quality that is the Corvette ...
This isnt about the Corvette. Again diversions.
UK reviews actually use the car on the road and the track. That is what makes them more relevant. If you could see past your blinkers, you'd be able to discern that for yourself.
You are losing sorely, and getting desperate. Give it up.
#1335
11-02-2008, 03:49 PM
What I find funny Heavychevy is that you discredit all performance figures/accolades that mags and owners test, but acknowledge all the mishaps from the same sources. You've yet to drive a GT-R and confidently made your mind up on it. Just doesn't make sense to me, especially when someone like you comes off as one that relies only on his self-assessments to come up with conclusions. I do agree with you in the GT-R's doubtful ring times, Nissan's somewhat misleading advertisements, stipulations, and associated costs, though I don't doubt its capabilities. The whole LC controversy is also ridiculous. Common sense would tell you that launching any car a number of times will cause immense stress to the drivetrain and imminent failure. Doing that in relatively new, unproven DSG technology is playing with fire. How many Porsche owners would launch their car even after knowing their car is capable of that? Even they wouldn't do it knowing how much replacement parts cost. The only conclusion I can come up with you is that you've always hated car! Not fair when it comes to un-biased arguments.