Drivers Republic GT2 v GTR around the Nurburgring
#77
11-25-2008, 07:22 PM
When did i "twist his words", when did i even mention Chris saying anything. And how do you explain the 17second gap in the GT2's time.
But despite that i don't fell that its gonna make up 17 seconds in just the drying of the track. It was more of "at the most" kind of thing
Also to those who say that the gap between the two would be larger if the track was dry. Nissan claimed 7:38 on a partially wet track, Porsche claimed 7:32 on a dry track, a 6 second gap. Just like in the wet, in this test. 9 seconds be made up by the switching to the dunlops, the revisions, a completly dry, and parts of the track freshly repaved, for a 7:29 time
But despite that i don't fell that its gonna make up 17 seconds in just the drying of the track. It was more of "at the most" kind of thing
Also to those who say that the gap between the two would be larger if the track was dry. Nissan claimed 7:38 on a partially wet track, Porsche claimed 7:32 on a dry track, a 6 second gap. Just like in the wet, in this test. 9 seconds be made up by the switching to the dunlops, the revisions, a completly dry, and parts of the track freshly repaved, for a 7:29 time
I explain the 17 second gap with Sport Cups which are poor in the wet. and by Chris's admission he didnt push the car as hard as he could have, CONTRARY to what he said about the GT-R.
We also have:
Walter - 7:32
Horst- 7:33
Aichtner - 7:34
Harris - 7:49 Wet track
Does it need much more explaining than that?
The GT-R has:
Horst - 7:50 (with dunlops in a ring configured car)
Aichtner - 7:54
Walter and some others - 7:45 (tires unknown)
Harris - 7:55.9
NISSAN 7:29
I dont think we have much to explain, there arent several pros saying they dont think the GT2 is capable of that time, in fact Chris said just the opposite, that Walter would go faster, and he would with no traffic.
You are the one that was trying to explain.......Please continue.
#78
11-26-2008, 06:22 AM
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So the GT-R was 6 seconds slower than the GT2, riding on the 6 seconds a lap slower Bridgestone tires? With an earlier, slower version of the car? Yeah that sounds like the GT-R was as fast as the GT2 on track to me as well, and shows what a great bang for the buck car it is to compete with the awesome GT2.
Read what the driver thought, he thought that the GT2 can achieve a 7:30 with a good driver and perfect weather. He also thought that the GTR can only achieve a 7:40-45 with perfect weather, better tires and better driver.
On a wet track, the more powerful 2WD on MPSC (with far less tread wear) is at a disadvantage. This is the reason why the GT2 was wheel spinning at 150mph. They also state quite clearly that the conditions favored the GTR. SteveDR from Driver Republic in another forum states that the better stock tires would only shave off 5sec tops.
#79
11-26-2008, 06:23 AM
That's right, he's one of the best journal drivers, and he's also the one who said "Even if the GTR and 911 turbo was the same price - the GTR would still be the better car"
Regardless of how good he is, 1 flying lap by Harris vs 1000 laps by Toshio.....
Regardless of how good he is, 1 flying lap by Harris vs 1000 laps by Toshio.....
#80
11-26-2008, 06:24 AM
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Like ive always said the Nurburgring is a fast long track, something not suited to the GTR. The 7:29 time was SET BY A RINGER!!!!!!!
Admit it Nissan fanbois!!!!!!!
Admit it Nissan fanbois!!!!!!!
#81
11-26-2008, 06:52 AM
the 7:29 does'nt matter. What matters is that Nissan set out to beat the turbo and they ended up with a car that matches the GT2.
#82
11-26-2008, 08:34 AM
It took Toshio Suzuki thousands of laps to achieve that time of 7:29sec. There is no way any driver can just jump in and reproduce that time in 1 lap.
the 7:29 does'nt matter. What matters is that Nissan set out to beat the turbo and they ended up with a car that matches the GT2.
the 7:29 does'nt matter. What matters is that Nissan set out to beat the turbo and they ended up with a car that matches the GT2.
Ummm... Nissan reported the GT-R's lap times @ the ring... in fact the Ring times were made out to be a BIG DEAL in their PR !!!
The first reports were GT-R's lap @ ~ 7:38, very suspect in a 480hp/3900 lb. car. Then Nissan came back with a new ring time of ~ 7:29...That's when Porsche said...
Wait a Minute,
Let's see what a "STOCK" GT-R can actually do !!!
NOT ONE INDEPENDENT TEST with a factory stock GT-R...
has been able to come close to the fabled 7:29 lap
That Nissan brags about.
In fact, we haven't seen any independent testing confirming the ~7:38 time.
Nissan's CREDIBILITY is extremely questionable...
Publishing results that defy the...
"Laws of Physic's"
can do that to you.
#83
11-26-2008, 09:26 AM
Ummm... Nissan reported the GT-R's lap times @ the ring... in fact the Ring times were made out to be a BIG DEAL in their PR !!!
The first reports were GT-R's lap @ ~ 7:38, very suspect in a 480hp/3900 lb. car. Then Nissan came back with a new ring time of ~ 7:29...That's when Porsche said...
Wait a Minute,
Let's see what a "STOCK" GT-R can actually do !!!
NOT ONE INDEPENDENT TEST with a factory stock GT-R...
has been able to come close to the fabled 7:29 lap
That Nissan brags about.
In fact, we haven't seen any independent testing confirming the ~7:38 time.
Nissan's CREDIBILITY is extremely questionable...
Publishing results that defy the...
"Laws of Physic's"
can do that to you.
And laws of statistics for that matter.
#84
11-26-2008, 09:41 AM
Do we need to go back to scratch and show you guys the acceleration data that you seem to be forgetting. Toshio's GT-R was 1.3 seconds and ~8 mph faster on the Dottinger Hohe straight than Harris'. Compound that with all the other high speed section of the track and you already know that's several seconds faster in pure accleration.
THAT IS NOT CHRIS' FAULT!!!!!!
Then on top of that you guys are acting like you forgot that Harris had just run a race at the track. He has plenty of experience there, NOT JUST 1 LAP!!! And at this point has plenty of seat time in the GT-R.
On top of that Nissan claimed 5 seconds on the dry track, not as many as you want to try and make it add up. And the Dunlops could very well be worse in wet conditions.
Chris Clearly stated that he did not extract as much out of the GT2 as he did the GT-R. So the paltry addition and subtraction without taking into account all the details is rather pathetic.
THAT IS NOT CHRIS' FAULT!!!!!!
Then on top of that you guys are acting like you forgot that Harris had just run a race at the track. He has plenty of experience there, NOT JUST 1 LAP!!! And at this point has plenty of seat time in the GT-R.
On top of that Nissan claimed 5 seconds on the dry track, not as many as you want to try and make it add up. And the Dunlops could very well be worse in wet conditions.
Chris Clearly stated that he did not extract as much out of the GT2 as he did the GT-R. So the paltry addition and subtraction without taking into account all the details is rather pathetic.
Last edited by heavychevy; 11-26-2008 at 09:54 AM.
#86
11-26-2008, 11:13 AM
It's fun to "pull their chain" stating "FACTS". Then we get to listen to them respond with..."Only a very special Nissan driver" can get those fabled Nurburgring times.
Gotta luv their "Faith" !!!
#87
11-26-2008, 11:39 AM
Well, the result speaks for itself. You guys can speculate about the suspect ring times all you want, but at the end of the day what really matters is the fact that the GTR has been kicking the turbo's *** at EVERY single track test. Nuff said, Amen.
Last edited by Quacker; 11-26-2008 at 11:45 AM.
#89
11-26-2008, 12:51 PM
I explain the 17 second gap with Sport Cups which are poor in the wet. and by Chris's admission he didnt push the car as hard as he could have, CONTRARY to what he said about the GT-R.
We also have:
Walter - 7:32
Horst- 7:33
Aichtner - 7:34
Harris - 7:49 Wet track
Does it need much more explaining than that?
The GT-R has:
Horst - 7:50 (with dunlops in a ring configured car)
Aichtner - 7:54
Walter and some others - 7:45 (tires unknown)
Harris - 7:55.9
NISSAN 7:29
I dont think we have much to explain, there arn't several pros saying they dont think the GT2 is capable of that time, in fact Chris said just the opposite, that Walter would go faster, and he would with no traffic.
You are the one that was trying to explain.......Please continue.
We also have:
Walter - 7:32
Horst- 7:33
Aichtner - 7:34
Harris - 7:49 Wet track
Does it need much more explaining than that?
The GT-R has:
Horst - 7:50 (with dunlops in a ring configured car)
Aichtner - 7:54
Walter and some others - 7:45 (tires unknown)
Harris - 7:55.9
NISSAN 7:29
I dont think we have much to explain, there arn't several pros saying they dont think the GT2 is capable of that time, in fact Chris said just the opposite, that Walter would go faster, and he would with no traffic.
You are the one that was trying to explain.......Please continue.
The other two tests were done with the slower early JDM version of the car in the wet.
Sportauto with the famous driver Horst has driven the new Skyline on N-ring.
"*7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 480 PS/1750 kg, Horst von Saurma, partially wet track (sport auto 12/07)*
Horst von Saurma, chief editor of sport auto magazine, completed about 100 kms with the new Nissan GT-R at the Nurburgring Nordschleife. Best time he achieved was a 7:50 on a partiallly wet track especially at one of the key passages so called Kesselchen.
With all the electronic aids the handling is absolutely perfect, the driver doens´t feel how the drive-by-wire system really works as the GT-R stay on track like on rails, always has grip, doesn´t lose control, higly computerized and a perfect racer for the street. A time less than 7:40 is pretty much optimistic, 7:50 shows the true potential of the car. And when the price stays at the announced level, it is a real bargain."
no were there does it mention what tires were used.
"Also it SHOULD be noted that the 7:50 Sport Auto recently got with the GTR was a Fahrberichte. This means they they are test driving it around the ring to describe more what the car feels like and their impressions of the car. Not to set a fast lap time. The important result will come when they do their Supertest.".
The 7:50 was like i said before a "get a fell" run on a wet track.