I used my search feature to pull up a few posts where the Pss10 at very slow speed on minor road bumps has a slight "bouncy" feel (especially at 10 MPH or less in my car). I agree with the observation. It does glide easier as speed increases . Accelerate into a curve and the car just rips through it effortlessly .

Unlike the Techart springs the car is much more manageable . The Techart springs had terrible bump management (in comparison) in contrast but it also had no bounce . The springs placed more stress on the rubber to the ground wheres at Pss10 allows enough roll where that extra play happens to be very helpful in cornering .

So I read the posts . No updates on "bouncy" questions asked by forum members Meaker and Rockomoto . Raiyu also commented in another thread . I took note that others noticed this .

Im suppose this is a charateristic of damtronics. I don't find it uncomfiortable . i do find it different .

Overall --Pss10 Damtronics get the Win . The excellent drive is worth a slight bounce. UN If one goes for the larger expense and gets the Techart coils it may add another contender to compare . The Techart springs will sit in my garage and the Pss10 will remain on the car.

 

At -20mm ride height I don't feel any bounce at any speed with my B16 Damptronic kit.

I do find it intolerable over bumps/holes at slow speeds though.

Thing get more comfortable over 50mph and I find that PASM does seem to learn and adapt after a while.

I am hoping that moving to a -15mm ride height next weekend will give the dampeners more length to dampen bumps and make the ride smoother. Bilstein give a 15-35mm recommended drop range so -15mm should be the best 'road' setting.

As for sport PASM mode; forget it unless you are on a smooth track!

 

By the way, do you have PSS10 or B16 kit fitted? Ie did you keep your PASM?

PSS10 = no pasm
B16 = pasm

 

I have the pss10 damtronic setup . Here's a pic next to my old techart as well as installation photos. Yes ..I am referring to slow speed bounce (ie traffic) .

 

The reason i ask is because there has been a LOT of confusion over the Bilstein nomenclature.

PSS10 have 10 settings you can manually choose from.

B16 plug into the cars PASM system and it controls the dampening.

Lots of these kits are sold as PSS10 'with' and 'without' PASM. If you chose 'with' then they are B16's and not PSS10.

I would suspect 99% of guys that bought Bilstein Damptronic kits went with the PASM compatible B16 kit.

 

Yes . I have seen some posts on this Pss10 identity confusion. I had not heard the term B16 but mine work with the PASM dampening . It is different from stock or the Techart springs . I like it but will have to face the slow speed bounce .

 

You have the same as mine then: Bilstein B16 Damptronic kit

Ie. No PSS10

 

Correct. It's an impressive system . Keep in mind that i have had my car for 19 months . The first three the suspension was stock and for 16 months I had the Techart springs . I won't go back to springs. Ifelt that it was time for a change with a more sophisticated system but the Techart coils were more expensive so I decided to try these .
I didn't know what to expect and I voiced that on the forum . Also added to the damptronics - the Gt2 sway bar. This really keeps the tail spot on through a turn . The improvement is significant .

 

Sounds like you're happy with the change, how much of a drop did you go with? any sagging? I'm looking at b16 at max height or back to stock springs with my driveway. I also use the gt2 bar, very happy with it.

 

We will measure my ride height again this weekend.

When I had my Damptronic kit fitted at 7500 miles these were the measured and target ride heights:

Front: 134 (factory is 138)
Rear: 140 (factory is 153)

New target -20mm (GT2) heights set at 7500 miles:

Front: 118 (drop of 16mm)
Rear: 133 (drop of 7mm)

I suspect I am much lower than this now having done 3000 more miles on the car.

 

A small point of correction, Larry. The Damptronics is known internally as the B16s or PSS16s not the PSS10. The PSS10 and PSS9s are adjustable but the PSS16s are not, not manually, only electronically.

I actually thought initially that you were talking about the TechArt coilovers. They actually use the same Bilstein coilovers but revalved to meet their specifications and more than twice as expensive too.

[edit]: I see that Alex has already corrected you..

 

If you check out the Renn Team forum Cannaga has an extensive thread on the damptronics.

In my experience I haven't noticed the low speed bounce, but then I don't drive in the city at low speeds. I do agree that the "sport" setting is only good for very smooth pavement. I've got the H&R sways front and back plus Tarret Engineering drop links.

With the stock suspension the car would literally hop around corners when driven hard, which was very unsettling.

 

Thanks guys . I took the car for a 100 mile drive yesterday. No bounce .
It's as if the suspension needed to settle . I had fprgotten that my Techart sprongs did the same with litle creaks and such for a few days.

Now that this thing is breaking in . It really just rips. In fact combined with the 700 and braks the car is like anew machine. I also love the race exhaust and clutch.

The fact that its all hitting me at once is like this amazing sensory overload .

 

yrralis,

I don't know if we are talking about the same thing, but there is validity to your observation if you feel that the Bilstein is stiffer with road obstacles. Basically the TechArt spring is progressive and Bilstein is linear, meaning TechArt will be initially soft then stiffens, whereas Bilstein is the same rate throughout its travel.
The good thing about TechArt is then when you first hit that road obstacle, the response is softer. (The bad things are it would also lean/squat/dive more for the same reason -- that it is at first soft, and has a non-linear response -- which depends on whom you talk to, maybe good or bad.)
I'm glad to hear that it's all working out well. There is some comfort in knowing Bilstein is the OEM supplier for the 911.

 

anyone has tested bilstein damptronic versus techart bilstein damptronic?