No offense, and i am not trying to start any kind of argument here at all, and I fully believe in modding everything and anything.... BUT... someone else claimed that also in a Cayenne Turbo, and when the regional rep/tech came out to the local dealership (4 times), they down loaded the information and compared it to what Porsche normally ships the vehicle standards. Now I know this because the owner of the vehicle is an acquaintance to the family. needless to say he was stuck with a huge bill, and since he was the sole owner, he couldn't plead it was there.

Like I said, I have no issues with any tuning if it a reputable company, bu i think the company that is doing the tuning should take responsibility along with the owner of the vehicle in any warranty issues. There are way too many so called tuners out there that claim more than they should, and I am sure you run into that alot Matthew within your line of work.

And to further clarify, I am not saying anyone here doesn't understand that also or expect that... I just wanted to clarify my statement instead of getting further off topic

 

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Originally Posted by JBONDOx
Champion did the ECU tune, they can warranty it. Go to any other dealer and you will be paying, seen it abunch of times, then they come on the forum and whine



You have a great point. On my 06 Supercharged 997s, Champion would not touch any engine warranty issues because they did not and would not install or support it. They did however handle all non engine warranty issues.

For the few warranty issues I had with the 06 997S, the closest place that whould do warranty engine work was Suncoast Porsche, 184 miles away. It was worth the drive though. I

I do think the supercharger install and warranty was a little different than and ECU mapping with Tubi Mufflers, Werks Intake System, Stainless Steel Manifolds and Sport Intercoolers. I know Champion will warranty everything, and I'm pretty sure I could go to Suncoast or anyone in between

 

No offense taken I appreciate your comment and I couldn't agree with you more. There are many people out there who over extend or make empty promises for a variety reasons none more important other than to make the sale to make money and there was a way to fly in a Porsche tech from their warranty department to come scan some of my local cars here to see if they can detect it. All I can say is that APR directly states their software undetectable on their website so I think that says a lot right there. Most people say a lot of stuff over the phone but to directly advertise it to the public and the Auto Makers I think goes a long way and its not new technology either. They have had these capabilities for almost 10 years now and with the 997TT DME specifically since I think 2001 or 2002 when that DME was in the MK4 Generation VW's. It's one thing to crack the ECU coding and change engine settings (boost, fuel, timing, turbos etc) but to be able to turn the ECU into a "puppet" so to speak and be able to manipulate your cruise control functions and cluster signals so you can switch between multiple octane maps, clear out your own CEL's with out plugging anything into the diagnostic port I think goes it goes to show you what they are capable of. So I think if they can do of this with just your cruise control switch, I would think they can encrypt their software to the point where its undetectable from Porsche.

 

[quote=hjacobs2000;2487499]At first I thought it might be odd that Champion wouldn't warranty anything with your engine since VF Engineering kits use GIAC software but when you think about it, they are adding forced induction item to the engine that wasn't offered by the manufacturer (Porsche).

 

Thanks yrralis, after 4 years of south florida driving and modding my 997s, I couldn't do anything else to the 997s and was actually gettiing bored with it. After 2 days with my turbo, I felt rejuvinated. After 1.5 days with 630 HP, I cant believe I waited this long.

 

Congrats and enjoy her in good health.

 

no pictures?

 

Ok Ok ... just took some quick ones. Compare my old 997S in my avatar to the first pic

 

Nice car, did you get a dyno done?
The car should be putting out more power with those mods.
I would love to know once and for all if that airbox does anything other then look really cool.
Let me know what you find out.

 

The guys over at Rennsport got me juiced with the Evoms tune - I'm just over 600hp....I could be happier....Thanks Guys.

 

Yep...I could be happier....I could be at 700hp

Justin......I got the bug!!!!

 

On my previous ride, my EVOMS 997S, I had many dynos done to try to get that real "number" and every time the number was different. On this ride, I can honestly say that starting at 480 and adding massive power and tork that I can feel, I don't care if it is a conservitive 630 or 650, or even 680. I'm going to enjoy it. It drives amazingly fast and it is fun.

Than being said, Ill probably eventually dyno it or upgrade and dyno.

 

writing to the ECU's and changing the parameters can be found, for instance with MB's which I have a lot more experience with, using the SDS in developing mode, you can bring up the data of the various control units. Now if the regional tech, comes in with his software, dwnlds the info and comaprs it to what the factory is... it throws a red flag and the pissing match starts between the owner of the vehicle, the dealership, the regional who wants to document it to the VIN, then the tuning company.

as for the programing of it, anything, and I mean anything, that has hooked up via CAN can be manipulated, you can have the steering wheel controls to control functions of the vehicle and have it displayed in the cluster. I just installed an Escort radar detector 9500ci on a Benz that displays everything in the cluster and utilizes the steering wheel controls.

As for the claims that manufacturers make, who as reseller/consumer/Eseller/warehouse has the ability to actually check the claims manufacturers make? not many. The only way would to be a dyno, but you really don't know if it is actually hurting the engine since you can map OUT warnings, so the vehicle won't report it. It kind of sucks the way it is, but you have to rely on the manu. I would guess since it is a variable that it would be called faith.

Sorry to get it off topic, but it seemed to be a topic within a topic. I do envy the OP as not to many people would do what he did, and I love it! His new name should be BASF... he makes it better

 

I would care, but that's me.
Without IC's you should be at 620, with them around 700. I am curious what the champion parts list produces.

 

how do you get even close to 700 with the stock turbos?