Techart Type II 997TT by CEC Miami
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10-15-2009 | 01:09 PM
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No, for $50K we can build an entry level GT Street with the wider dry carbon front fenders and weld in rear quarter panels.
The Type II program was designed for "al carte" purchases. It's possible to only buy part of the kit, (only front, sides, rear, wing) instead of a full package like the GT Street program.
It's not unlikely to have a GT Street R build go into the 6 digits.
$40K is realistic for a Type II build. This build was closer to $30K.
The Type II program was designed for "al carte" purchases. It's possible to only buy part of the kit, (only front, sides, rear, wing) instead of a full package like the GT Street program.
It's not unlikely to have a GT Street R build go into the 6 digits.
$40K is realistic for a Type II build. This build was closer to $30K.
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10-15-2009 | 01:38 PM
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I guess I am in the wrong business hahahaha
TA is the only company I would trust to replace OEM, and I know you have to pay for R&D and wind tunnel testing, but these prices are not Wife Approved!
My CPA would kick my *** as well if I dumped 40k into a kit worth 0 on the resale market.
With that being said, the wing and lip are things I am looking at, but not for 12k.
TA is the only company I would trust to replace OEM, and I know you have to pay for R&D and wind tunnel testing, but these prices are not Wife Approved!
My CPA would kick my *** as well if I dumped 40k into a kit worth 0 on the resale market.
With that being said, the wing and lip are things I am looking at, but not for 12k.
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10-16-2009 | 05:00 AM
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Yup, I love this kit and so got a quote here in the UK, and even with a discount it is far too expensive. I know all the blurb about 'amazing quality' and 'wind tunnel tested' and 'perfect fit' but there just comes a point where you ask yourself "what would I pay for this, given the impact it would make in my life?" and if it's a factor of 3 more than that, you know it's simply overpriced by the manufacturer.
Same thing for the Bilstein AirLift kit. Parts can't be more than a few hundred dollars to make but it retails for more than a set of Damptronics!
I sometimes think manufactures look at Porsche owners and think we all have more money than sense. Mind you, looking at Porsche's Exclusive options prices that we fork out on, they might be right!
Same thing for the Bilstein AirLift kit. Parts can't be more than a few hundred dollars to make but it retails for more than a set of Damptronics!
I sometimes think manufactures look at Porsche owners and think we all have more money than sense. Mind you, looking at Porsche's Exclusive options prices that we fork out on, they might be right!
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10-16-2009 | 08:31 AM
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Thanks for all the positive feedback guys.
As to the points regarding the price for these parts, all I can say is the following:
1. There will always be purists that will not modify the original design of a vehicle regardless of price. The TA buyer is an enthusiast that understands the purist mentality and would not settle for less.
2. There is value in originally designed TA parts. The many knock offs, though a third of the price, have little to no engineering behind their parts. These parts are made of sub par materials (frp, Kevlar, chicken wire) and do not cost even a quarter of what it cost to manufacture the TA products. Even at a third of the cost of the TA product, you are overpaying for the knockoff parts in comparison to original TA parts.
3. Economies of scale: TA is not a vehicle manufacture, and can't be expected to produce parts on that scale. Only about 15% of all Porsche sold will be modified. Less units produced equates to a higher cost per unit.
All this being said, we as enthusiast can not assume that tuning is an inexpensive hobby. In this industry like most others, you get what you pay for. Anyone here have a boat, play golf, or are a member of a club? All of these are expensive hobbies and unlike your car, can not be enjoyed everyday.
P.S. If anyone figures out how to get this hobby approved by the wife, let me know.
As to the points regarding the price for these parts, all I can say is the following:
1. There will always be purists that will not modify the original design of a vehicle regardless of price. The TA buyer is an enthusiast that understands the purist mentality and would not settle for less.
2. There is value in originally designed TA parts. The many knock offs, though a third of the price, have little to no engineering behind their parts. These parts are made of sub par materials (frp, Kevlar, chicken wire) and do not cost even a quarter of what it cost to manufacture the TA products. Even at a third of the cost of the TA product, you are overpaying for the knockoff parts in comparison to original TA parts.
3. Economies of scale: TA is not a vehicle manufacture, and can't be expected to produce parts on that scale. Only about 15% of all Porsche sold will be modified. Less units produced equates to a higher cost per unit.
All this being said, we as enthusiast can not assume that tuning is an inexpensive hobby. In this industry like most others, you get what you pay for. Anyone here have a boat, play golf, or are a member of a club? All of these are expensive hobbies and unlike your car, can not be enjoyed everyday.
P.S. If anyone figures out how to get this hobby approved by the wife, let me know.
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10-16-2009 | 08:39 AM
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My wife was fine me adding all my powerkits (I have the 2nd most expensive Stage II on the market after Ruf), exhausts, wheels, suspension upgrades, pedals. The bodykit though is the same price as all of that again and she said "but it still looks the same to me!" when she saw the pics.
To me, changing the looks is nowhere near as profound as changing the power plus the suspension on a Turbo, and so is not worth the same money IMHO. And I really love the TA Type II kit...
To me, changing the looks is nowhere near as profound as changing the power plus the suspension on a Turbo, and so is not worth the same money IMHO. And I really love the TA Type II kit...
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10-16-2009 | 08:48 AM
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Aside from ascetics, the TA aerodynamics are designed to allow greater down force and stability at high speed, and also provide a larger air path to the coolers, radiators, and brakes (in part by repositioning the fog lights in the front bumper, larger exit vents in the rear bumper for the coolers, and ram air scoops on the wing for the air box).
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10-16-2009 | 09:15 AM
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Thanks for all the positive feedback guys.
As to the points regarding the price for these parts, all I can say is the following:
1. There will always be purists that will not modify the original design of a vehicle regardless of price. The TA buyer is an enthusiast that understands the purist mentality and would not settle for less.
2. There is value in originally designed TA parts. The many knock offs, though a third of the price, have little to no engineering behind their parts. These parts are made of sub par materials (frp, Kevlar, chicken wire) and do not cost even a quarter of what it cost to manufacture the TA products. Even at a third of the cost of the TA product, you are overpaying for the knockoff parts in comparison to original TA parts.
3. Economies of scale: TA is not a vehicle manufacture, and can't be expected to produce parts on that scale. Only about 15% of all Porsche sold will be modified. Less units produced equates to a higher cost per unit.
All this being said, we as enthusiast can not assume that tuning is an inexpensive hobby. In this industry like most others, you get what you pay for. Anyone here have a boat, play golf, or are a member of a club? All of these are expensive hobbies and unlike your car, can not be enjoyed everyday.
P.S. If anyone figures out how to get this hobby approved by the wife, let me know.
As to the points regarding the price for these parts, all I can say is the following:
1. There will always be purists that will not modify the original design of a vehicle regardless of price. The TA buyer is an enthusiast that understands the purist mentality and would not settle for less.
2. There is value in originally designed TA parts. The many knock offs, though a third of the price, have little to no engineering behind their parts. These parts are made of sub par materials (frp, Kevlar, chicken wire) and do not cost even a quarter of what it cost to manufacture the TA products. Even at a third of the cost of the TA product, you are overpaying for the knockoff parts in comparison to original TA parts.
3. Economies of scale: TA is not a vehicle manufacture, and can't be expected to produce parts on that scale. Only about 15% of all Porsche sold will be modified. Less units produced equates to a higher cost per unit.
All this being said, we as enthusiast can not assume that tuning is an inexpensive hobby. In this industry like most others, you get what you pay for. Anyone here have a boat, play golf, or are a member of a club? All of these are expensive hobbies and unlike your car, can not be enjoyed everyday.
P.S. If anyone figures out how to get this hobby approved by the wife, let me know.
I would have installed all the TA parts at delivery, like all my power mods had the cost been more in line with reality. The TA parts took my 160k car to well over 180K and that my friend is called a Ferrari
A Ferrari would remain bone stock, nothing to do it but drive it. This is basically the same situation all of us face when buying one of these cars. Cosmetics just don't make sense for that kind of cash. Make a kit for 15K installed and painted and watch them fly off the shelf.
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10-16-2009 | 09:15 AM
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Does your wife have a sister?
Aside from ascetics, the TA aerodynamics are designed to allow greater down force and stability at high speed, and also provide a larger air path to the coolers, radiators, and brakes (in part by repositioning the fog lights in the front bumper, larger exit vents in the rear bumper for the coolers, and ram air scoops on the wing for the air box).
Aside from ascetics, the TA aerodynamics are designed to allow greater down force and stability at high speed, and also provide a larger air path to the coolers, radiators, and brakes (in part by repositioning the fog lights in the front bumper, larger exit vents in the rear bumper for the coolers, and ram air scoops on the wing for the air box).
Anyway, I have now spent as much cash on mods for my Turbo as a new GT2 would have cost me in the first place. So I am well versed in mod'ing by now.
A TA bodykit is something that I would certainly like at some point if I keep me car a long time. However it will require the GBP to EUR rate to come wayyyy down to make me start considering it again.
If I ever sell the car then having a bodykit on a UK car will certainly make it harder to sell and also I wouldn't see a penny back in resale. These are BIG considerations.
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10-16-2009 | 11:40 AM
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Yup, I love this kit and so got a quote here in the UK, and even with a discount it is far too expensive. I know all the blurb about 'amazing quality' and 'wind tunnel tested' and 'perfect fit' but there just comes a point where you ask yourself "what would I pay for this, given the impact it would make in my life?" and if it's a factor of 3 more than that, you know it's simply overpriced by the manufacturer.
Same thing for the Bilstein AirLift kit. Parts can't be more than a few hundred dollars to make but it retails for more than a set of Damptronics!
I sometimes think manufactures look at Porsche owners and think we all have more money than sense. Mind you, looking at Porsche's Exclusive options prices that we fork out on, they might be right!
Same thing for the Bilstein AirLift kit. Parts can't be more than a few hundred dollars to make but it retails for more than a set of Damptronics!
I sometimes think manufactures look at Porsche owners and think we all have more money than sense. Mind you, looking at Porsche's Exclusive options prices that we fork out on, they might be right!
+1. Totally agree.
