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Old 11-10-2009, 08:01 PM
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[quote=turbonator;2615280]If you're selfish & want the Porsche just for yourself.....get the manual. If you want to practice (or better yet, learn) heel and toe and rev matching on your way to work...get the manual. If you're a young whipper snapper who wants to learn the lost art of manual shifting & gear selection on a $125k+ car....get the manual. If you want the car so you can do drop clutch starts at every red light....get the manual. If you enjoy hitting the rev-limiter in first and second shift-positions in rapid accelerations (and getting beat by some old dude & his trophy wife in his AMG)....get the manual. If you don't have enough things to worry about, and want to add expensive mechanical overrevs to the equation...get the manual. And finally, if debate is your favorite sport...get a manual because your skills could come in handy when you explain to a dealer or potential buyer of your vehicle why the over-revs recorded in the DME don't matter

Sorry, couldn't resist. But seriously, there are pros and cons to both sides. I myself don't care for the Tip, but the PDK is a whole different story.

You did good....same subject matter but with slightly different words. Great job. Except I have to disagree with "the PDK is a whole different story." No no no, they are very close to the same. One is clutch-frictionally driven, the other by oil; they both have shift-gears, and one has oily-clutches in addition, but both are still equally shifted by computer zip-required brain/hand/foot coordination. They drive the car, not you.

Incidently, snappy 1-2 shifts are learned early so when our turbos are floored, we with manuals "have never been beat by some old dude and his trophy wife in his AMG" We smoke 'em everytime to impress our trophy wife/girl friends. Women now-a-days can't really appreciate that expression which most likely dates back even earlier than when only manual shift-transmissions existed (pre-1949 hydramatics).
 
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Thanks for all the input, you guys are a hoot. Best advice I heard was to drive both. I am coming off a BMW M3 6 speed so I hear your love of rowing the gears, not much of a fan of the SMG in those cars. I am testing both on Friday and hopefully coming home with the winner. Thanks again
 
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If you're selfish & want the Porsche just for yourself.....get the manual. If you want to practice (or better yet, learn) heel and toe and rev matching on your way to work...get the manual. If you're a young whipper snapper who wants to learn the lost art of manual shifting & gear selection on a $125k+ car....get the manual. If you want the car so you can do drop clutch starts at every red light....get the manual. If you enjoy hitting the rev-limiter in first and second shift-positions in rapid accelerations (and getting beat by some old dude & his trophy wife in his AMG)....get the manual. If you don't have enough things to worry about, and want to add expensive mechanical overrevs to the equation...get the manual. And finally, if debate is your favorite sport...get a manual because your skills could come in handy when you explain to a dealer or potential buyer of your vehicle why the over-revs recorded in the DME don't matter

Sorry, couldn't resist. But seriously, there are pros and cons to both sides. I myself don't care for the Tip, but the PDK is a whole different story.

You did good....same subject matter but with slightly different words. Great job. Except I have to disagree with "the PDK is a whole different story." No no no, they are very close to the same. One is clutch-frictionally driven, the other by oil; they both have shift-gears, and one has oily-clutches in addition, but both are still equally shifted by computer zip-required brain/hand/foot coordination. They drive the car, not you.

Incidently, snappy 1-2 shifts are learned early so when our turbos are floored, we with manuals "have never been beat by some old dude and his trophy wife in his AMG" We smoke 'em everytime to impress our trophy wife/girl friends. Women now-a-days can't really appreciate that expression which most likely dates back even earlier than when only manual shift-transmissions existed (pre-1949 hydramatics).
well said.....
 
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What "expensive over-revs" are you guys referring to? The ECM does not allow the engine to rev beyond a safe RPM (which is well below what these engines are capable of reving to).
 
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What "expensive over-revs" are you guys referring to? The ECM does not allow the engine to rev beyond a safe RPM (which is well below what these engines are capable of reving to).
The ECM can do nothing about grabbing the wrong gear on a downshift, you will over rev.
 
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Type 1 and Type 2 over-revs are very common and are usually not detrimental. This is some kind of fantasy that developers of the ECU came up with.

I have owned 2 6 speed 997TTs and 1 Tip 997 TT. Get the Tip, because the car is really so heavy and soft that it is not useful at the track in stock form. The Tip is much faster off the line in normal driving, which makes it more fun.
 
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I've had both types and like the manual better. However, I have not experienced PDK yet - which may change my mind.
 
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