997.2 Turbo vs GTR
#196
#197
What does that say, the GT-R ahead by a tenth right?
Dunlops > Bridgestone by +2-3 seconds PER LAP. Turbo > GT-R.
Dunlops > Bridgestone by +2-3 seconds PER LAP. Turbo > GT-R.
#198
#199
How so? The GT-R tested on it's best tires vs the Turbo on it's regular tires and the GT-R eeking by on tenths and hundredths of seconds.
I take it you don't track much to know the importance of tires to lap times.
I take it you don't track much to know the importance of tires to lap times.
#200
Please don't start your strawmanning again. Either provide proof of a 997.2 beating a GTR or provide proof that a 997.2 on PS2s with the same driver can deliver this miraculous 3s difference in the same conditions. Anything else is a strawman argument, plain and simple.
I like 911s too it's just difficult with chevy because everyone is forced to like one or the other.
Last edited by BD-; 12-02-2009 at 07:06 AM.
#201
You can't hate on the GT-R. Its a Japanese engineering marvel. And for the price of the car you can't really beat the dollar per performance power. However that being said....at the end of the day a Porsche is still a Porsche.
#202
Originally Posted by Gulden (the driver) wrt GTR
I was unfamiliar with the car, and I'm not used to Right-hand drive.
#203
The Turbo is LIGHTER THAN THE GTR. The Turbo has MORE POWER THAN THE GTR. And yet the Turbo was still 0.6 seconds slower during the track testing.
While you the fanboy see this as...
"Well if they took the snow tires off the Turbo it would have won"
The sane and reasonable man sees this as...
"Gee, If the GTR had additional power to compensate for the massive power-to-weight disadvantage, it would have won by even more"
You have a excuse-first way of thinking Heavy. When from the get-go, the turbo has FAR MORE POWER and FAR LESS WEIGHT than a GTR. Even with that adavantage, you still want to cry and make excuses.
No unbiased, non-fanboy will ever come to your defense on this one Heavy. You reached a new low.
#204
The GTR is a box on wheels with NO SOUL and it sounds terrible too. You get what you pay for. End of story!!!
#205
GT racing is the ultimate test of a cars chassis at the limits. All of the chassis manufacturing put to the test, shows what the car is really capable of. The GT-R is limited because what it uses on the street for speed (Dunlops) won't carry it on the track when the tires are regulated and equalized.
What exactly is the same? Show us all the parts of the chassis that are the same, so that we can take a good look at how much is actually the same. I bet it's a few bars of metal and that's all.
Get a GTR and a GT3, strip them, stick a carbon body on them, uprate every major suspension, brake and diff component and the GTR still wins in time attack. Sure it won't win an enduranace event because AWD cars use their front tyres more. Against another AWD vehicle like a 997T it would be different.
The true judge of a car is when the tire compounds are equal. You saw how Best Motoring made the Evo's and STi's keep up with the Porsches, Ferrari's and such for years. By shodding them with R-compounds. Nissan just took Best Motoring to a whole new level. Using tires to overcome all of the deficiencies.
#206
It's a ringer.
Secret cheat mode triggered by button selection.
Remotely triggered ECU map.
Agressive overboost.
Poor driving.
Test driver with hidden agenda.
Different tyres.
Lap favoured GTR.
Secret cheat mode triggered by button selection.
Remotely triggered ECU map.
Agressive overboost.
Poor driving.
Test driver with hidden agenda.
Different tyres.
Lap favoured GTR.
#207
#208
So true, HC, the GTR is only faster when Suzuki is driving the ringer. Even a "lowly" 2007 GT3, giving up almost 90hp and sans a double-clutch gearbox can outrun the GTR when no tricks are involved: http://www.motortrend.com/features/l...lap/index.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track16.html
Try something a little more expansive. The Goodwood test was the same day.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...7_GT3_facelift
And if you, like heavyhobo want to include $20k worth of factory options (PDK, Sport Hobo, Michelin PS2s), fine the GTR will include the Nismo Club Sport Pack and upgraded Nismo ECU. Fully warranteed, therefore counts as 'stock' right?
Last edited by BD-; 12-02-2009 at 08:12 AM.
#209
Pathetic excuse. The guy's a pro, very familiar with the ring and did practice laps in a car with all kinds of electronic gimmicks to help a driver out. He said he got all but one corner perfect. In every one of these tests there always seems to be some variable that allows one side to make excuses. We can throw figures at each other all day, but until they come up with sanctioned events where the cars compete with each other at the same time with professional drivers behind the wheel, we really know nothing.
#210