I'll bet the Renault R26.R that beat your new Boxster S is a 'ringer too? You know the car you borrowed the grey/red GT3 RS colour scheme from (see link in post above)?

The one at Goodwood was a 'ringer too was it, and the one Top Gear used and Autozeitung and Auto Express? it doesn't look good when the only thing you have for the 911 GT3 is a 0.3s victory at Hockenheim conducted with an old '09 GTR by Sport Auto. That's kind of like an American car winning with Motor Trend or a Japanese car winning with Best Motoring.

 

You'd be wrong, 1:23.1.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track1.html

 

Yup. That did back fire.. The same Renault F1 team that got busted for making it's driver crash into the wall? Didn't they get suspended for that? Hmmmm. I think that's called cheating is it not? And please, don't refer to me as a fan boy kiddo. Fan boys are people that rant and rave about a car as if they own one. In reality they can't afford one. I personally like the GTR and would love to put one my garage when the premiums come down a bit. And yes.. I can afford one.. I have driven a GTR and was quite impressd with it. It is a great performance value. I prefer my Porsche over it, but I still wouldn't mind having one. Like Vic55 said, they are both great cars. The part that disgusts me is the childish and immature comments coming from you. I will give it to you though. You are very good at googling info. You must have a lot of time on your hands between finals....

 

 

I can say such statements because there are plenty of case histories showing this to be the case. Take a look at Sport Auto's test of the SRT-10 coupe: one year, it goes slower than another year, despite the addition of 100 hp. Both in dry conditions, with the same driver at the wheel.
Wait, how do you know for a fact that the temps were the same in the Australian test?
Take a look at this article on the this year's event:
"On a slippery track that's estimated to be 2 seconds slower than last year the car showed it has plenty of potential with lap times improving throughout the day."
http://www.yokohama.com.au/enews/lan...e-r32-r34.aspx


Because there are no lap times reported. Put up those lap times, and then we'll talk.
Also, show me the proof that the R888 is even the equivalent of a MPSC or P Zero Corsa. You say that the R888's on racing wheels for the GT-R showed no improvement. Fine. There have been GT-R drivers with different wheels with RE55's and MPSC's that did show definite improvement.
Sport Auto have only ever taken the Focus RS around the 'Ring for one test. I'm not aware of any other, and it wouldn't make sense for two different test sessions anyway. Now, if you say the R-compound R888's are so much better than the stock Continentals (treadwear 280), but didn't show it due to conditions during the same test session, then how can you claim with any accuracy that conditions did not affect the Australian test done a year apart? This also says something about how much weather can affect times around the 'Ring even when the laps are done only minutes apart, but I'm pretty sure you don't want to accept that. The Australian time attack event isn't just the lone GT-R running on a completely clean track; from one year to the next, there will by varying degrees of fluid on the track, and varying degrees of dirt brought on track by cars that go off.

Wrong. These are the times.
Z06 - 2:58.2
GT-R (on 600's) - 2:55.6
+ 3.5s (for 7010's) = 2:59.1

If you add 3 seconds to the GT-R's 2:55.6, that's 2:58.6, which is not 1.4s behind. To get to 1.4s slower than the Z06, you would have to add exactly 4 seconds to the GT-R, and they did not say 4 seconds.

Now you're proving my point. The Z06 has SEVERAL INHERENT DISADVANTAGES. It's not all down to the tires, like you were claiming. Because even on similar tires, the Z06 cannot capitalize on its massive hp/wt advantage.
Do you seriously think I'm trying to use power/wt? Jeez, you have a serious reading problem. I'm showing you that hp/wt does NOT explain everything, when there are so many variables that affect a lap time. You, however, used it as the sole reason for why the GT-R cannot possibly lap the 'Ring as fast as it does (only way is with massive boost, slicks, yada).

 

The driver and the then Team Boss did yes. So?

Cheating in F1, who'd have thought? It's not like Schumacher didn't do the same damn thing to stop Alonso getting a pole at Monaco once only he got off with it. They didn't cheat when they won.

Kiddo. LOL, best you do?

You must have a lot of time on your hands inbetween falling asleep in meetings and trying to look clever.

Summary: So far we have a Renault and a Nissan that are faster than Porsches costing twice as much.

 

^ GTR's cheaper and faster than lots of other expensive cars so I guess they all suck to, huh? Not sure why this is so important to you or what you're hoping to accomplish? You don't like porsche, fine don't buy one.

 

BTW, for anyone not familiar, these are the two tires used in the Focus RS test:

Toyo R888 vs SportContact 3
Treadwear: 100 vs 280
'Ring time: 8:25 vs 8:26


When Sport Auto tested the V8 Vantage with P Zero Corsas, it dropped the lap time by 10 seconds.

 

Originally Posted by BD-
You must have a lot of time on your hands inbetween falling asleep in meetings and trying to look clever.


I actually do have some time on my hands in between meetings. BTW, I don't need to look clever... I hold the meetings.. Now what?

I just realized what a waste of time this exchange has been with you. Why am I wasting my time with some punk kid who has nothing better to do than surf the net for every piece info he can find on why the GTR is a better car than anything else ever made... You can come back and play with the big boys when you get out of school, make some money and buy your dream GTR. Until then......

 

I too just came to the realization that this is just silly. Shame on me for taking so long. Maybe I keep coming back to look at his avatar.

 

Theirs a few things you failed to mention:

Tire ratings are not the same for all tire manufactures...so its not a fix number where a 100 on a tire is the same as the other, even though it may read higher or lower.


Also the fact that if you do not have a alingment to use an R comp, odds are it will not be used to its full extent! It maybe worse than the regular tire supplied for that stock car. Porsche puts extremely ****ty alingments on their road cars ......

 

Valid points. I already know that treadwear ratings aren't always applicable across brands. However, do you really think the Continental tire is as soft as the R888? Just eyeballing those tires, you can tell the tread pattern right off the bat should give a huge advantage with all else being the same.
How would you classify Aston Martin alignments?

 

I think you are right. His avatar is really really hot........

 

She certainly doesn't need a gun to get my attention.

 

They are most definitely available from Porsche in the "Tequipment factory option catalog", page 13.

http://www.porsche.com/all/media/fla.../index.htm#/2/