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530hp 997SC: Looking for legal race with a TT

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Old 04-06-2010 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by P997S
9? what is stock 997.1 turbo? guessing 11
997.2 turbo w/ pdk maybe breaks into 10s ?
I don't understand what you are asking.

I referring to 60-130 times. The only numbers that are true reflections of HP are straight runs like 60-130 or trap speed. ET reflects too many variables...hookup, clutch drop, driver reaction, skill...it is not a good reflection of a car's power (which is what we were discussing.)
 
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I thought the post before mine was saying 1/4 mile in the 9s. That sounded way to quick
 
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Gotcha...caught up on the posts.
 
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My issue with his race idea is that his car would have to push the limits against a much stronger vehicle. It lacks the traction of AWD. It lacks the sophistication of the Gt2. Safety is the concern.

He has 2500 miles on this supercharger and that's not even a lot of seat time with his car that that level. Too much risk.
 
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The Ruf RKompressor Carrera S conversion has been tested on both the autobahn and Hockenheim. Chassis wise, the car will handle the speed fine.
 
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Ruf RKompressor Carrera S
Is this what he has on his car ? Was it installed to Ruf spec?
 
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Old 04-07-2010 | 07:23 AM
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OK, I understand, Larry, and perhaps you are right. Clearly I agree that the whole of a TT is composed as a unit to handle its power- from all perspectives: steering, handling, etc., whereas my 997SC was not made to handle 530HP. It was made for 355HP. And surely that has implications, no denying that. But that's not what I was asking: again, I was asking how my car would do in various races against a stick 997TT. I threw out 0-60, 60-130, 1/4 mile, as possible examples I, personally, am interested in.

The 2,500 miles I have on mine are not a lot, and I've not pushed the car for any extended lengths of time, as there's no real need to do so. I hit peak boost (6.1 psi) at redline, and now that testing is complete, I am not at redline often, and if I am, it's for a quick second, not racing on track in the 7k RPM's for hours, etc.
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
Is this what he has on his car ? Was it installed to Ruf spec?
No...but it appeared that you were eluding to the stability of the Carrera S at higher speeds.

a much stronger vehicle. It lacks the traction of AWD. It lacks the sophistication of the Gt2. Safety is the concern.
The RKompressor is the same chassis as what Cattman is...it's just an engine conversion. And it tolerated high speeds just fine.
 
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Hey Cattman - welcome "over here". Having had both a 997S SC'd and a 997TT, I can give my opinion. What I believe it comes down to (besides drivers) is torque. You did not state your TQ figure. My 997SC also was over 500HP, but the TQ was around 400 or less as I remember. That gives the TT a huge advantage, I think. I think the TT would beat a 997S SCd car. Again, just my opinion from driving both for over a year + each.
 
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Originally Posted by summoboy
Hey Cattman - welcome "over here". Having had both a 997S SC'd and a 997TT, I can give my opinion. What I believe it comes down to (besides drivers) is torque. You did not state your TQ figure. My 997SC also was over 500HP, but the TQ was around 400 or less as I remember. That gives the TT a huge advantage, I think. I think the TT would beat a 997S SCd car. Again, just my opinion from driving both for over a year + each.
Your feedback is valuable, you had a TPC kit, correct? Mine is a modified VF-E kit. What I am trying to do is find the answer to your opinion, and there's only 1 way I can think of to do it.

Ultimately, I'd love to have a TT. Rather than sell my car, I decided to get TT power into, and I spent a lot of blood, sweat, tears, and money to get it where it is, and I want to see if I've done what I set out to do, and that's all this "ask" is about.
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Originally Posted by Cattman
Your feedback is valuable, you had a TPC kit, correct? Mine is a modified VF-E kit. What I am trying to do is find the answer to your opinion, and there's only 1 way I can think of to do it.

Ultimately, I'd love to have a TT. Rather than sell my car, I decided to get TT power into, and I spent a lot of blood, sweat, tears, and money to get it where it is, and I want to see if I've done what I set out to do, and that's all this "ask" is about.
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Just get a Pbox as described by bbywu in an earlier post. This is really the best way. It's pretty accurate (records 10 data points/sec). You can submit your data on the 996tt forum for official sactioning. We would all be curious to see how your car performs relative to others on the list. Good luck.
 
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Originally Posted by bbywu
I referring to 60-130 times. The only numbers that are true reflections of HP are straight runs like 60-130 or trap speed. ET reflects too many variables...hookup, clutch drop, driver reaction, skill...it is not a good reflection of a car's power (which is what we were discussing.)
I guess this is the issue I have with the 60-130 times I always see thrown around this site (and it really does seem to mostly be a P-forum/P-car benchmark). 60-130 is just another ET, it doesn't necessarily measure hp well either. Traction, shift (or lack there of) time, etc, make the waters too murky to get a true feel for the power being made.

To get a better indicator of hp, I still think trap speed is a far better indicator of how much power a car has. But since 60-130 seems to be the std. on this site, I supose I'll be the minority regarding this view.
 

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Originally Posted by yrralis1
My issue with his race idea is that his car would have to push the limits against a much stronger vehicle. It lacks the traction of AWD. It lacks the sophistication of the Gt2. Safety is the concern.

He has 2500 miles on this supercharger and that's not even a lot of seat time with his car that that level. Too much risk.
Originally Posted by yrralis1
Is this what he has on his car ? Was it installed to Ruf spec?
I don't know if you meant to come off as an elitist, but you sure did!

Regardless, your comments are mostly nonsense IMO. Using your logic, only factory built cars should be considered 'safe'. You make it sound like anything modified (after-market) and not certified by spending six figures for the mods, should be considered dangerous and not worthy.
 


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