I told this to Alex at Sharkwerks some months ago and he said no...

 

Good to know but evidently all these programs get shuffled and shared between vendors. Does Evoms (and others) not collaborate and everything they develop is de novo? That was my point.

 

Hey TTdude, Evomsit is done all in-hous at Evoms and you can see the process in action here. Nothing to hide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzeLcvgOVzQ

and Evomsit was the first company to have software for the dfi 2009 cars and we did it here in California in October of 2008 (a full year before most):
http://sharkwerks.com/porsche/techni...re-tuning.html

 

Cool video! You guys are state-of-the-art for sure. My curiosity harkins back to a comment Softronic said about there being some sort "basis program" they have developed on original Bosch programming by which he evidently supplies to tuners who utilize this program to do their tuning. How does Evoms do it? Since they don't utilize Softronic's services, then do they develop their own "basis program"? TIA.

 

EVOMS has their own front end and hardware that they developed that's correct

 

Just to clarify, they develop the back end software as well?

 

I still say a 2nd DME means INNOCENT until proven guilty.. A stereo shop fried it while installing a stereo back there.. they paid for it so i didnt bother with warranty.. Keep the ECU, stick magnets to it, ruin it however you want but hand it over as proof..

Mike

 

I doubt your ECU would be covered under warranty if the stereo shop fried it.

 

Bosch and Seimens create the stock files. Those are the basis for what is then modified.

 

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

 

No worries TTdude. Work can be done any number of ways. You can work with what you have already. Indeed you can reverse engineer it. The EVOMSit folks can do either/or

There's some more public info here: http://www.evomsit.com/Services.htm
And: http://www.evomsit.com/Company.htm

Either way I just feel bad for folks suckered in by claims of "modifications to an ECU being undetectable" etc... Too bad for them

 

Exactly my point.. It was a plausible story..

Mike

 

I have to agree. If this is really true, then they should put their money where their mouth is and give a money back guarantee that their modifications are undetecatable. This wouldn't help a warranty claim but at least it is something with a little substance over just faith.

 

Yes very good point for those companies that cant flash it back to original. Then again I feel sorry for the DFI customers that also have to remove their DME and have it taken apart to flash, that is very evident regardless.

I think it does all goes back to the one post that you highlighted and the word was "Ignorant".

Softronic was the first to OBD flash the DFI and also the 2010 Turbo so no removal is required. While we could have taken them out and done so it was in the customers best interest not to. I wouldn't want to sell a product early just for sales knowing it was an issue. We can also alter anything in either set of chips remotely without a customer having to send a DME in or re visit a Dealer etc. We have many first and make things that other tuners simply cant. I guess if they could then they would all be flashing via the port and doing what we can..

Perhaps some of the other experts could post at what points they are detectable since they know? What screen or section on the PIWIS shows this or how it is shown? This is what the Dealer would be using unless a Pano or 997 DFI Turbo. We all know a tuned file is period. I should know since I'm the guy checking them.
To be correct it could be a DME that had a tune and it was then re written with a PIWIS. Now lets take out the given 1 write index and the fact that the binary has written the extra string in the 29F800 or processor. The PIWIS would not show the strings anyways.

So now at what point is the new PIWIS original write going to show the old Tuned file that was in it? Granted the PIWIS does not write the original Porsche one it came with yet it is an original. Since I cant show people what would not exist perhaps they can show what they are saying does?

Best ,
Scott

 

Where does Softronic do all the tuning, the tools, car, location, dyno, etc..? Or do they share those maps/tune files from Proto and others?