Can a modded Porsche really beat a Hayabusa?
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09-30-2010 | 10:22 AM
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The answer is yes it can LOL. Best story at the Mile was before I was getting ready to head down for my run and I see this blonde girl on a Busa with NOS getting ready. Flash back when I used to ride my bike then said to myself "Art I think she has bigger ***** than you right now"
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09-30-2010 | 10:37 AM
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Its a shame for that rider in the video that you have posted to race, i don't know how you see it but to me its at list funny the fact that he races and does not use the fairings at all!
You can't have it both ways. The bikes either lost, or it didn't. Period.
A stock litter bike is a little faster than a stock busa but when modded there is no comparison. What i'm saying here in this thread is that a busa with exhaust/ECU and a good rider is unbetable.
Especially from a dig.
Especially from a dig.
Yes, a bike that weighs 550 lbs will be faster from a dig than a car that weighs 3200 lbs. The stories you are hear are about bikes losing to cars from a roll, which happens all of the time, regardless of the rider's skill level.
I'll ask you once again to post the fastest car's on the forum (not dragster) 100-200 and 200-300 times.
I just want to compare it to the Exhaust/ECU busa.
thank you
I just want to compare it to the Exhaust/ECU busa.
thank you
FWIW; my black car went 100-200 in 4.1 seconds. But from 200-300 km/h, I would have flat embarrassed your friends Hayabusa. There are also a few Porsches on here that have done low 3's 100-200 km/h.
Anyway, read here:
Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
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Okay, let's review some facts. From a dig, we all know that most bikes will smash most cars. I have never argued this fact. My point has always been that from a roll, a 700+ rwhp car can keep up with, if not beat, many liter bikes with your typical rider. Especially once you get into high speeds.
CycleWorld did a 0-180 mph test of a bunch of bikes back in 2008. They used professional riders for the test and measured the acceleration of the bikes at various intervals from 0-180 mph, as well as terminal velocity. The quickest bike overall in the test by a large margin was the ZX-10R. The slowest was an R1. The Hayabusa and GSXR 1000 fell in-between the two.
Let's look at the numbers compared to a 730 rwhp GT2 that went 206 in the TX mile and has also run a 10.8 @ 143 in the 1/4 mile.
First, the GT2 (I've extracted the times from his TX Mile Performance Box data). The GT2 driver is a good driver. Not a pro, but a good driver nonetheless:
60-100 - 2.55
60-150 - 8.53
100-150 - 5.97
100-180 - 11.64
150-180 - 5.67
Now, extrapolating the data in the graph, the bikes ran the following roll-on times:
R1:
60-100 - 2.33
60-150 - 7.71
100-150 - 5.38
100-180 - 15.88
150-180 - 10.50
GSXR 1000:
60-100 - 2.30
60-150 - 7.28
100-150 - 4.98
100-180 - 13.43
150-180 - 8.45
Hayabusa:
60-100 - 2.41
60-150 - 7.60
100-150 - 5.19
100-180 - 13.26
150-180 - 8.07
ZX-10R
60-100 - 2.38
60-150 - 7.16
100-150 - 4.78
100-180 - 11.99
150-180 - 7.21
Notice that from 100-180 and 150-180, the GT2 is faster than all of the bikes. From 60-100 and 100-150, the GT2 is very close to a couple of the bikes. From 60-150, the bikes really dominate against this particular car. But at higher speeds, the bikes really start to slow down.
I think this data helps to explain why your average rider (not a guy that necessarily sucks, but someone that isn't a pro or a very experienced amateur), may find themselves being tied or yanked by a fast car. Especially if they are going well into triple digits, or they make one mistake (short-shifted, started in wrong gear, etc..)
Remember, this GT2 is only making 730 rwhp. Let's add 100 rwhp to that. My old 996TT at 830 rwhp (and 200 lbs heavier) went 60-150 in 7.60 and 100-150 in 4.48. That puts it smack dab near a ZX-10R.
Of course, some cars are faster than others, just like some bikes are faster than others. But considering all of the data, as well as the videos that are out there, I think it's safe to say that any car making 700+ whp is an honest threat to the average rider on the average liter bike, from a roll.
Okay, let's review some facts. From a dig, we all know that most bikes will smash most cars. I have never argued this fact. My point has always been that from a roll, a 700+ rwhp car can keep up with, if not beat, many liter bikes with your typical rider. Especially once you get into high speeds.
CycleWorld did a 0-180 mph test of a bunch of bikes back in 2008. They used professional riders for the test and measured the acceleration of the bikes at various intervals from 0-180 mph, as well as terminal velocity. The quickest bike overall in the test by a large margin was the ZX-10R. The slowest was an R1. The Hayabusa and GSXR 1000 fell in-between the two.
Let's look at the numbers compared to a 730 rwhp GT2 that went 206 in the TX mile and has also run a 10.8 @ 143 in the 1/4 mile.
First, the GT2 (I've extracted the times from his TX Mile Performance Box data). The GT2 driver is a good driver. Not a pro, but a good driver nonetheless:
60-100 - 2.55
60-150 - 8.53
100-150 - 5.97
100-180 - 11.64
150-180 - 5.67
Now, extrapolating the data in the graph, the bikes ran the following roll-on times:
R1:
60-100 - 2.33
60-150 - 7.71
100-150 - 5.38
100-180 - 15.88
150-180 - 10.50
GSXR 1000:
60-100 - 2.30
60-150 - 7.28
100-150 - 4.98
100-180 - 13.43
150-180 - 8.45
Hayabusa:
60-100 - 2.41
60-150 - 7.60
100-150 - 5.19
100-180 - 13.26
150-180 - 8.07
ZX-10R
60-100 - 2.38
60-150 - 7.16
100-150 - 4.78
100-180 - 11.99
150-180 - 7.21
Notice that from 100-180 and 150-180, the GT2 is faster than all of the bikes. From 60-100 and 100-150, the GT2 is very close to a couple of the bikes. From 60-150, the bikes really dominate against this particular car. But at higher speeds, the bikes really start to slow down.
I think this data helps to explain why your average rider (not a guy that necessarily sucks, but someone that isn't a pro or a very experienced amateur), may find themselves being tied or yanked by a fast car. Especially if they are going well into triple digits, or they make one mistake (short-shifted, started in wrong gear, etc..)
Remember, this GT2 is only making 730 rwhp. Let's add 100 rwhp to that. My old 996TT at 830 rwhp (and 200 lbs heavier) went 60-150 in 7.60 and 100-150 in 4.48. That puts it smack dab near a ZX-10R.
Of course, some cars are faster than others, just like some bikes are faster than others. But considering all of the data, as well as the videos that are out there, I think it's safe to say that any car making 700+ whp is an honest threat to the average rider on the average liter bike, from a roll.
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09-30-2010 | 12:06 PM
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All I can say is that regardless of what pbox or magazine data everyone has, from what I have witnessed in person is that bikes are pretty much unbeatable with a rider who has experience and knows what he's doing.
Anything can happen though and street cars are getting faster and faster. For example, I think that it would take one hell of a rider and a decently modded bike to walk from a twin turbo Gallardo
Anything can happen though and street cars are getting faster and faster. For example, I think that it would take one hell of a rider and a decently modded bike to walk from a twin turbo Gallardo
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09-30-2010 | 04:10 PM
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My take on the thread and the data above is that at the very high speeds, the heavily modded 997tt wins. From a dig and up to 150ish in roll ons the lightly modded busa wins with a good rider. I have not raced a 997TT on my lightly modded busa street bike(titanium exhaust, lightweight wheels, custom map, upgraded suspension and brakes, +2 rear sprocket, etc) nor have I raced a busa in my lightly modded 2008 997tt (softronic, fabspeed air intake and V3 exhaust, damptronics, HRE's). From purely a seat of the pants perspective I would agree.
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09-30-2010 | 04:23 PM
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My take on the thread and the data above is that at the very high speeds, the heavily modded 997tt wins. From a dig and up to 150ish in roll ons the lightly modded busa wins with a good rider. I have not raced a 997TT on my lightly modded busa street bike(titanium exhaust, lightweight wheels, custom map, upgraded suspension and brakes, +2 rear sprocket, etc) nor have I raced a busa in my lightly modded 2008 997tt (softronic, fabspeed air intake and V3 exhaust, damptronics, HRE's). From purely a seat of the pants perspective I would agree.
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09-30-2010 | 04:30 PM
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Guys,your absolutely right: no busa or any sportbike for that matter is capable of slaying a mighty mega dollar porsche,all of the vids posted prove it so it's Gospel...carry on
And Scott,anytime you wanna line up against my modded busa PM me,Im sure the outcome will be a rude awaking for one of us...
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09-30-2010 | 04:45 PM
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All I can say is that regardless of what pbox or magazine data everyone has, from what I have witnessed in person is that bikes are pretty much unbeatable with a rider who has experience and knows what he's doing.
Anything can happen though and street cars are getting faster and faster. For example, I think that it would take one hell of a rider and a decently modded bike to walk from a twin turbo Gallardo
Anything can happen though and street cars are getting faster and faster. For example, I think that it would take one hell of a rider and a decently modded bike to walk from a twin turbo Gallardo
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09-30-2010 | 05:01 PM
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That woulda been an AWESOME save on your part,except for the wee little fact that Mbailey hadnt posted that when I qouted you this morning(I clicked the link) so it may be relevant NOW but wasnt 12hrs ago. Still,I was under the impression that this thread was about a Busa,at least thats the title the OP used...it's your sandbox,you make the rules I guess
Guys, your absolutely right: no busa or any sportbike for that matter is capable of slaying a mighty mega dollar porsche,all of the vids posted prove it so it's Gospel...carry on
And Scott,anytime you wanna line up against my modded busa PM me,Im sure the outcome will be a rude awaking for one of us...
Most of us don't care about fast bikes because not only do they weigh absolutely nothing and have no rolling resistance, but any kid making minimum wage can own one (not that there is anything at all wrong with a person working for minimum wage...I just mean that's its very easy to own a fast bike). They simply don't impress me...regardless of how fast they may be.
Heck, if you weren't so bent on trying to prove how fast bikes are on an internet Porsche forum, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. Why are you here again?
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09-30-2010 | 05:01 PM
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just remember, all liter bikes - and busas as well, (in mexico of course), are not created equal. My busa is 188 RWHP and 110 FTLBS and weighs 500 lbs, there are liter bikes putting out less than 100 to the rear wheel depending upon make, model and year. I am sure your car is wicked fast and I do not question your actual experiences. Be careful, those mexican jails can be challenging. Be safe.
Be safe.
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Its cool bro,you can spill the beans&just come right out&say it's me you've been watching destroy the Switzer 750 Porsche,the modded GTR's,the monster turbo Evos and anything else that comes out to play...but maybe you've been duped and your eyes have been deceiving you and the cars really did win lol
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just remember, all liter bikes - and busas as well, (in mexico of course), are not created equal. My busa is 188 RWHP and 110 FTLBS and weighs 500 lbs, there are liter bikes putting out less than 100 to the rear wheel depending upon make, model and year. I am sure your car is wicked fast and I do not question your actual experiences. Be careful, those mexican jails can be challenging. Be safe.
Be safe.If I do, I'll shake his hand and give him props. What I won't do is troll around on motorcycle forums claiming that anytime a car loses to a bike, it's only because the car had a bad driver.
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I think the correct word would be confindence not insecurity...when ItallianStallion posted a while back about me destroying a modded Switzer 997 you car guys had a million excuses as to why the car lost...from the dig AND roll. Go figure.
To be blatantly honest I get a chuckle from reading the car vs. bike posts,and lately I really only reply if Im bored or see somebody post some incorrect/misguided bike info..hence the reason I felt the need to see if u wanted to run your car instead of type about it;since you say you've never lost to a bike&Ive never lost to a car
And Im here because I like porsches&owned a 997 a few years back,and unless you ban me I will continue to post. If you dont like what I have to say than just ignore me...But obviously your hinting since I dont actually OWN a Pcar that I have no business posting on this forum...Really???c'mon,you can do better that that,no?
To be blatantly honest I get a chuckle from reading the car vs. bike posts,and lately I really only reply if Im bored or see somebody post some incorrect/misguided bike info..hence the reason I felt the need to see if u wanted to run your car instead of type about it;since you say you've never lost to a bike&Ive never lost to a car
And Im here because I like porsches&owned a 997 a few years back,and unless you ban me I will continue to post. If you dont like what I have to say than just ignore me...But obviously your hinting since I dont actually OWN a Pcar that I have no business posting on this forum...Really???c'mon,you can do better that that,no?
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09-30-2010 | 05:33 PM
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To be blatantly honest I get a chuckle from reading the car vs. bike posts,and lately I really only reply if Im bored or see somebody post some incorrect/misguided bike info..hence the reason I felt the need to see if u wanted to run your car instead of type about it;since you say you've never lost to a bike&Ive never lost to a car
And Im here because I like porsches&owned a 997 a few years back,and unless you ban me I will continue to post. If you dont like what I have to say than just ignore me...But obviously your hinting since I dont actually OWN a Pcar that I have no business posting on this forum...Really???c'mon,you can do better that that,no?