The next TT will more than likely be equal to the Bugatti in all around performance. Not to mention it will have the second gen PDK. Don't get me wrong I would still love to own the Bugatti, talking about a monster.

 

I also have an 07TT and have driven the 2011 TT S. Where I found the new S to be nice, I did not find it nice enough to accept the $80k loss on my 2007 just to go ahead and have a new TT and potentially lose another $60 - $80k over the next four years.

I already have the GIAC mapping, headers and AWE exhaust and found the only real difference between the two was the PDK.

I have decided to keep my 07 and install new intercoolers and turbos to reach the 750hp level. I suppose my current concern is - can the TIP handle the increased power?

If you have the funds to spend, why be concerned with a few more bucks off MSRP if you are already willing to accept the drop in current price compared to what you paid for it?

Good Luck!!!

 

The next 991 TT gonna have improved performance and efficiency. I would rather spend the extra money on that one.

 

I agree with you but a stock turbo s will not pull a modded 997.1tt .
I agree that the new car is the better STOCK car but it is not the better platform to upgrade nor is it worth 100K to swap (especially with a 991 making its way soon enough).

PDK is wonderful . In fact I have it in my 997.2S (second Porsche) . However PDK is poised to evolve with time . so is the 997 in general .

If he didn't have a car , or if his car was fiercly problematic (with no warranty) , and if he were comparing a used car with unknown driving history priced in the 90's to a new Turbo s --I would be right with you and say buy the new car.

But that's not his point of reference . The fact that he's pondering a discount means that cost is a factor and i believe that his hesitation to buy is sound.

Here --see for yourself --some of the cars here --
There's no 2011 Turbo S on this list -- and I speculate it might be a very long time before one makes it to the top tiers .
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...mile-list.html

 

Would you consider 0-60 in 2.7 and 10.8 in the 1/4 @129 top tier ?

Did you notice this entry? The car is derived from the slower non S model.
10.73 @ 129.7 - EVOMS / 997.2 TT AWD

 

I don't think this is accurate. I was offered a 2011 tt with an Oct 15 build. I was initially told that the ttS was going to be a very rare car.
J

 

Glad to find this thread as well. I see you're in my neck of the woods. I was in Porsche North Scottsdale (if this is the dealer you are referencing) last Saturday inquiring about a Turbo. I have to say I've never cared for their approach to selling these cars. They want full sticker and act as though they're doing you a favor by selling you one. They've been sitting on all of their Turbo S's for over 2 months now. They're just not realistic about the current sales environment (economy and the fact there are so many S's out there for sale). I asked to drive a pre-owned Turbo and was told that would not happen without financial commitment. Now, I've never driven a Turbo and understand it's an expensive car. However (and not to sound pompous), I pulled into the dealer in my Gallardo SL and had a 997 GT3 prior to that. I just wanted to get a feel for the Turbo as I'm comparing it to a R8 V10. I'm not going to buy one without driving it. The good news is there are dealers giving discounts on Turbos and Turbo S's. I've been in contact with a California dealer who offered 5K off a Turbo to start and invited me out for a test drive. Much better attitude! I probably will do as you are and wait and see what happens when these start hitting the used market. But there are dealers out there who want our business and are willing to talk price--especially with the mark up on these cars.

To the OP, 7K is alright but you surely can do better. Hang on to yours and wait for a Turbo S on the pre-owned market. 100K is a lot of $$$ for .7 of a second. The S is a phenomenal car but not worth the extra funds IMO. Good luck with your decision.

 

My first sentence in post number 34 compared a stock Turbo s to a modded 997.1tt .

Stock to stock --the 997.2tt S will win.
Modded to modded -- the 997.1tt will win .

So you suggest that he spend approx 100 K to have a faster stock car but a slower modded car ?
Not to mention the increase in price gap if we are now discussing a modded 997.2tt S.

 

In 2007 I had trouble finding a Turbo yet in 2008 and even to this day there are many used 07 cars.

I don't know how many were made but in my opinion it doesn't seem too hard to find a lot of cars which once upon a time as new-- were touted as "rare" .

 

For $10k or so you can do a full suspension set up (coilovers, springs, bars, drop links) and a flash/dyno tune (TPC did mine). You'll have a 07 car with more/better power than a tts and that handles better - add a cool set of wheels for looks and fun (you can even add the centerlocks if you love them).

Unless you gotta have PDK, that seems like an obvious choice -- was for me, though I bought my 07 used and am all in around the $100k depreciation hit you're considering == and its paid for ....

 

Sorry.. I was just making reference to your point about the stock turbo s not being as fast as a modified 997.1 TT.

My point was in totally stock form at 10.8 seconds in the 1/4 it's already faster than the majority of modified 997.1 TTs' on the list that you had posted.

Of all the cars on the list thees are the only ones that are faster and I can assure you that they are all highly modified $$$$.

09.67 @ 149.8 – EVOMS / RWD
09.79 @ 146.4 - dk996tt / 997TT AWD
09.90 @ 149.1 - EVOMS / 997TT AWD
09.91 @ 145.6 - Markski / RWD
10.08 @ 148.8 - Powell / RWD
10.28 @ 140.0 - Chris Green / RWD
10.43 @ 139.1 - Palette / RWD
10.45 @ 146.8 - Divexxtreme / RWD
10.50 @ 140.6 - Joetwint / AWD
10.57 @ 137.5 - VividRacingTX / RWD / Tiptronic
10.62 @ 132.5 - Sharky / AWD
10.65 @ 135.2 - TPCRacing / 997TT AWD
10.66 @ 132.6 - Achicchelli / 997TT AWD TIP
10.70 @ 133.0 - VRTX / RWD / Tiptronic
10.73 @ 129.7 - EVOMS / 997.2 TT AWD
10.74 @ 131.7 - Hamann7 / AWD
10.77 @ 131.5 - RenntechV12 / GT2


If you look at some of thees cars and figure there initial price plus modifications I would bet that most of them cost more than the Turbo S.

 

As the above post points out, a stock 997ttS is faster than most modded 997.1 TT. 0-60 in 2.7, 0-100 in 6.4, and 1/4mi in 10.8 is tough to beat. a 997.1tt with flash, headers, and exhaust can't match those performance figures.
having said that, if i were the op, i would do the above mods + coilovers and rims and call it a day due to the price differential of his car and the new S.

 

That acceleration differential is solely attributable to the PDK and launch control. Modded .1tt 6 speed to stock .2tt 6 speed, the former wins. So, if you like 3 pedals, I think modded .1tt is better and (much) cheaper. If you want PDK (and the associated acceleration advantage), .2tt is the only choice.

 

It's actually more than just the PDK and Launch.

The 6 speed 997.2 is still probably faster than most modified 997.1's. The PDK version and the S version are all still faster yet.

Here is a good example of just how fast the 997.2 6 speed is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qam_UvSKuM

 

This is not true .
A modified 997.1tt will not only beat a stock Turbo S but it will even beat a modded 997.2tt S .

The reason is that the Gt1 engine has a platform more suited to accept upgraded Turbos and the highest Hp levels. Plus the PDK can only withstand only so much Hp without placing a lot of risk on the components .
OK so the PDK will shift fast --but it can't hold the power of a stage 3 clutch nor can it mate with 700+ HP --yet!!!

In fact --many of the cars on that list are in fact 996 Turbos (modded) . The tuners had years to perfect that car and with time they figured out how to get the most out of that engine even before the 997tt was produced.

I am not saying that they can't or won't figure out the 997.2tt but this takes time and in the meantime the original poster's 997.1tt can beat the new car with the right mods. In fact it will cream the new car with 100K worth of mods.

In terms of every other feature --the interior is the same on both cars. The aesthetics are similar . The suspension can be upgraded to improve either . In short the cars are not so much different that it justifies him spending this much to get a potentially slower car with similar features.