Intercoolers...997,2 Vs 997,1...Game over...
#196
No disagreement there. You can say the same thing about all the AM ICs on this board but does that make them inferior to the .2 ICs? It depends on the application. For instance, Karim uses TPC/Proto ICs even for his stock vtgs. Why? Because they are better than the .2s. The same could hold true for CMS. I'm sure they know what they are dealing with when it comes to comparing .2 ICs. They were even willing to test TPCs ICs regarding the HP claims that had been made.
Now....regarding TPC's or Proto's IC's (coated or uncoated) the situation is really no different from a technical data standpoint. I certainly wont have any problem at all (in fact i would be elated) if any of the top end of town AM cooler boys provide tangible data to show their products are superior performing than the OEM's current .2tt cooler product. I'm assuming thats why the AM guys made their coolers to begin with?....to be better than the OEM affering???. But if they cant show they are better and expect buyers to rely upon say so and assurances then i personally think they are having a lend of themselves. Particulary with whats happened here with regard to earls/skands testing. There needs to be some transparency surely.
#197
Not to stir the hornets nest but has this actually been proven (like IAT logs)? IIRC, Karim changed a bunch of things at once (EP exhaust, intercoolers, flash) and the car actually slowed down. After some softronic wizardry with the very new .2 DME, it picked back up. Don't get me wrong, as I'd love to see the data to plan my next round of mods, but I'm curious what contribution these ICs are making to the overall effort.
#198
Not to stir the hornets nest but has this actually been proven (like IAT logs)? IIRC, Karim changed a bunch of things at once (EP exhaust, intercoolers, flash) and the car actually slowed down. After some softronic wizardry with the very new .2 DME, it picked back up. Don't get me wrong, as I'd love to see the data to plan my next round of mods, but I'm curious what contribution these ICs are making to the overall effort.
#199
Hey guys,
I will do my best to log IATs on my car with the TPC/Proto ICs and post them here.
Unfortunately, as I haven't done so with the stock .2 ICs, I won't be able to provide you with a comparo.
I will try to get that done soon.
I will do my best to log IATs on my car with the TPC/Proto ICs and post them here.
Unfortunately, as I haven't done so with the stock .2 ICs, I won't be able to provide you with a comparo.
I will try to get that done soon.
#200
#201
#202
OK, update on the intercoolers.
They are not made by DENSO, but by NRF, which is owned by the bigger group JDEUS, as well as DENSO.
You have to search for the NRF part numbers
00030187
00030186
This is the website where you can see the corrispondence with the Porsche Part:
http://www.nrf.eu
you go to "webshop" and type the part number.
Hope this helps!!!
Emanuele
They are not made by DENSO, but by NRF, which is owned by the bigger group JDEUS, as well as DENSO.
You have to search for the NRF part numbers
00030187
00030186
This is the website where you can see the corrispondence with the Porsche Part:
http://www.nrf.eu
you go to "webshop" and type the part number.
Hope this helps!!!
Emanuele
#203
OK, update on the intercoolers.
They are not made by DENSO, but by NRF, which is owned by the bigger group JDEUS, as well as DENSO.
You have to search for the NRF part numbers
00030187
00030186
This is the website where you can see the corrispondence with the Porsche Part:
http://www.nrf.eu
you go to "webshop" and type the part number.
Hope this helps!!!
Emanuele
They are not made by DENSO, but by NRF, which is owned by the bigger group JDEUS, as well as DENSO.
You have to search for the NRF part numbers
00030187
00030186
This is the website where you can see the corrispondence with the Porsche Part:
http://www.nrf.eu
you go to "webshop" and type the part number.
Hope this helps!!!
Emanuele
Were you shy to answer ? just curioos and you are a very nice young guy.
Rolando
#204
Ahah Rolando, you funny guy! I have not been posting much lately....
Generally I don't like to write or talk about stuff I don't know.
With time I read, asked and researched alot about the car, and my recent "mod bug" made me even more greedy about knowledge.
So I tend to post more to share my findings basically.
I like to post here because people are very open-minded and there are the best (in my opinion) tuners in the world that can ask questions and share a bit of their knowledge.
Is good to be here.
On the other hand I still don't post much on the main Porsche forum in Italy, basically because everytime I try to talk about "mods" and other stuff they end up mocking me..
Suffice to say there is only ONE 18g car here and my TT will be the first to run on TIAL turbos I think....People only trusts RUF, RS etc..
This is to say that I'm forced to learn as much as I can on my own AND on this wanderful website.
Generally I don't like to write or talk about stuff I don't know.
With time I read, asked and researched alot about the car, and my recent "mod bug" made me even more greedy about knowledge.
So I tend to post more to share my findings basically.
I like to post here because people are very open-minded and there are the best (in my opinion) tuners in the world that can ask questions and share a bit of their knowledge.
Is good to be here.
On the other hand I still don't post much on the main Porsche forum in Italy, basically because everytime I try to talk about "mods" and other stuff they end up mocking me..
Suffice to say there is only ONE 18g car here and my TT will be the first to run on TIAL turbos I think....People only trusts RUF, RS etc..
This is to say that I'm forced to learn as much as I can on my own AND on this wanderful website.
#205
As Karim has shown with his recent runs, the TPC/Proto coolers are obviously doing the job and are beautiful well constructed pieces -the question is how much are they doing vice what came on the car from the factory and at what point do they become a necessity. Before and after IATs would be a great place to start!
#207
ME thinks so too.. May i ask how you know that? Did you experiment with both intakes? If yes what was the difference low and high rpm as well as IATs?
#208
Every intercooler has a combination of thermal efficiency and flow...The key factor is to decide what is more necessary for each of us,and find the appropriate cooler...For track racing (with repeated runs) geat thermal efficiency is needed while for a 0-400m race or a dedicated run high flow is more appreciated...
#209
Every intercooler has a combination of thermal efficiency and flow...The key factor is to decide what is more necessary for each of us,and find the appropriate cooler...For track racing (with repeated runs) geat thermal efficiency is needed while for a 0-400m race or a dedicated run high flow is more appreciated...
The "game" is never over really... and its up to the AM boys to better the current benchmark. At the outset it would appear evident that TPC Proto has achieved that based on Karims empirical assessment and shotcallers recent dyno figures. But it would be nice to see the reduction of IAT's over the stck .2tt units. Either way, for the money the .2tt coolers should not be sneezed at.....unless you are in Karims situation with 50 deg C..
The game continues....
Last edited by speed21; 02-17-2011 at 04:35 AM.
#210
I totally agree with you...I doubt it that there would be data showing better IAT than 997,2TT ICs...And when you take under consideratiuon their price,you have a winner...On the other hand there are ICs with worse thermal efficiency and better flow...and they can be used at cold climates for short runs...(where IAT cant reach values to reduce ignition angle...)
But when Porsche installed these ICs in the GT2RS they sure knew what they were doing...
But when Porsche installed these ICs in the GT2RS they sure knew what they were doing...