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Originally Posted by Gustav
9ff har superfast at speed. Both GTurbo 1200 and the GT2 BT1000 4WD where the fastest trap speed at the mile. From a roll they are brutal.

Winning concept is 4WD and Double clutch / automatic. Manual cars and 2WD hare hampered by their launch.
You are making the excuse that the 9ff car had a poor trap and ET due to RWD and a manual transmission. Scott just gave you a proven example of how this is not true. Would you like more examples of RWD manual cars with significantly faster traps and times?
 
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I was referring to events where 9ff has participated. There is a problem with manual gearbox and 2WD for launches. Just see this Switzer 750 vs 9ff GT2 BT1000 4WD, the Switzer might launch better but the 9ff takes it at speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CMDMZZDr2M
 
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Originally Posted by Gustav
You dont know what you are talking about.
I think it's clear that you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about.

Let me repeat: my GT2 at 800 hp, with RWD, manual transmission and street tires...and almost no traction until deep into 3rd gear... trapped 140+ mph in the 1/4 mile. The 9ff car, with RWD, manual transmission and a claimed 1200 HP, only trapped 125 mph in the same distance.

Also, my now-sold 996TT, also with RWD and manual transmission, trapped 148 mph in the 1/4 mile at only 950 hp.

Another example? A Switzer 997 GT2 on street tires, RWD, manual transmission at around 800 HP...also trapped 140+ in the 1/4 mile.

All of these cars also weigh more than the 9ff GT3.

It's pretty clear from these facts that 9ff is WAY overrated in power, and hence...a joke.

P.S. - Both of my cars are significantly faster from 100-200 km/h than both a Bugatti Veyron and a 9ff BT 1000 4wd. The Veyron went 100-200 km/h in 5.4 and the 9ff BT1000 did it in 5.0. Compare those times to the 4.35 my GT2 did it in (at 875 hp) and the 4.10 my 996TT did it in (at 1,000 hp). Night and day.
 

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Originally Posted by Gustav
I was referring to events where 9ff has participated. There is a problem with manual gearbox and 2WD for launches. Just see this Switzer 750 vs 9ff GT2 BT1000 4WD, the Switzer might launch better but the 9ff takes it at speed

That particular Switzer SPI 750 is only making 750 HP (maybe 650 at the wheels). A 900-1000 HP Switzer, Protomotive, or EVOMS car would flat embarrass any 9ff car at any speed.
 
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Again, you where not at the same event. You are quoting times from different events. Same factors is a valid comparison. Also, the 9ff are geared for 350-400 km/h and not only the mile top speed. Gearing makes a huge difference.

Furthermore, the 9ff have progressive power delivering 1000 HP only over a certain speed for drivability. These are not quartermile time cars. And even not mile cars since they are made for high speed and highspeed acceleration, not from 0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1uVi...eature=channel

The car above would Im quite sure beat yours not in the quartermile but it quite sure would kill yours in everyway once it has traction and a good driver / same driver Im quite sure.
 
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You dont know that.



Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
A 900-1000 HP Switzer, Protomotive, or EVOMS car would have embarrassed the 9ff car at any speed.
 

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Originally Posted by Gustav
The car above would Im quite sure beat yours not in the quartermile but it quite sure would kill yours in everyway once it has traction and a good driver / same driver Im quite sure.
It had plenty of traction (more than my car did) and still only trapped 125 mph. Not impressive at all and more proof that 9ff severely overrates their power. What a embarrassment.
 
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And again, manual gearbox with not the fastest shifts. You can hear that. And again as stated above progressive power, 1200 HP is not available below I believe 100.120 mph.

BTW if you want to compare mile events the 9ff easily had trap speed over for exampel AMS GTR times: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkDdf...layer_embedded

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
It had plenty of traction (more than my car did) and still only trapped 125 mph. Not impressive at all and more proof that 9ff severely overrates their power. What a embarrassment.
 
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Have you even ever seen a 9ff? Yet alon ridden in one or driven one? They have cmpletely different gearing and setup that mile or quartermile cars. You need to understand this.

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
It had plenty of traction (more than my car did) and still only trapped 125 mph. Not impressive at all and more proof that 9ff severely overrates their power. What a embarrassment.
 
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Originally Posted by Gustav
And again, manual gearbox with not the fastest shifts. You can hear that. And again as stated above progressive power, 1200 HP is not available below I believe 100.120 mph.

BTW if you want to compare mile events the 9ff easily had trap speed over for exampel AMS GTR times:
Ha ha...everything is faster than GT-Rs in the mile! They are horrible mile cars (due to top-speed limited gearing). GT-R's strength is in the 1/4 mile.

Heck, we have a GT2 on here with bolt-ons and only 730 whp (app. 820 bhp) that went 206 mph at the Texas Mile.

Please inform me how fast the fastest 9ff car has gone in any mile event so I have even more to make fun of them about.

Here's our list. Just so you know, the top dog (joetwint) went 231.4 at only 1100 HP with no special gearing and a much heavier car than the 9ff GT3. Heartbreaker, isn't it?

231.4 - joetwint / 996TT
224.8 - EVOMS / 997TT
221.2 - art4iza / 996TT
218.6 - topgun / 996TT
215.6 - KPG / 996TT
206.3 - VividRacing / 997TT
206.2 - AtomicZ / GT2
200.9 - bmoores / 996TT
199.7 - MBailey / 996TT
197.3 - AMS / 996TT
197.1 - vividracingTX / 996TT
195.4 - vividracing / 997TT
195.0 - ttboost / 996TT
191.6 - AMS / 996TT (K16's)
190.7 - woodtster / 996TT
185.8 - Eclou / 997TT
183.3 - EVOMS / 997.2 TT (with tune)
 

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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Wow...a "1200 hp" 9FF car only went 12.1 @ 125 mph? LOL..
I was expecting somewhere in the 9's, shows how much I know!
 
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Originally Posted by Gustav
Have you even ever seen a 9ff? Yet alon ridden in one or driven one? They have cmpletely different gearing and setup that mile or quartermile cars. You need to understand this.
I don't need to. I've already owned faster cars with far less claimed power. Your non-stop 9ff excuses are not redeeming, by the way.
 

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I beleive the 9ff GT3 reached 349 km/h (218 mph) and that is with 2WD and manual gearbox on the latest mile event. And that with a quartermile (12 s?) similar as I beleive in this video, same driver. And on the full stretch it reached I beleive 370 km/h (231 mph) on GPS with two people in the car.

That makes you realize what brutal acceelration it has at speed (after the mile as well).

On the list below how many was manual and 2WD?



Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Please inform me how fast the fastest 9ff car has gone in any mile event so I have even more to make fun of them about.

Here's our list. Just so you know, the top dog (joetwint) went 231.4 at only 1100 HP with no special gearing and a much heavier car than the 9ff GT3. Heartbreaker, isn't it?

231.4 - joetwint / 996TT
224.8 - EVOMS / 997TT
221.2 - art4iza / 996TT
218.6 - topgun / 996TT
215.6 - KPG / 996TT
206.3 - VividRacing / 997TT
206.2 - AtomicZ / GT2
200.9 - bmoores / 996TT
199.7 - MBailey / 996TT
197.3 - AMS / 996TT
197.1 - vividracingTX / 996TT
195.4 - vividracing / 997TT
195.0 - ttboost / 996TT
191.6 - AMS / 996TT (K16's)
190.7 - woodtster / 996TT
185.8 - Eclou / 997TT
183.3 - EVOMS / 997.2 TT (with tune)
 
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Originally Posted by Gustav
I beleive the 9ff GT3 reached 349 km/h (218 mph) and that is with 2WD and manual gearbox on the latest mile event. And that with a quartermile (12 s?) similar as I beleive in this video, same driver. And on the full stretch it reached I beleive 370 km/h (231 mph) on GPS with two people in the car.

That makes you realize what brutal acceelration it has at speed (after the mile as well).
Again, the 9ff car is not impressive to me at all. They claim 1200 HP yet it only runs like a 900-1000 HP car at best in the Standing Mile, and like a 500 HP car in the 1/4 Mile.

On the list below how many was manual and 2WD?
All of them except one (VividracingTX) are manuals and #1 and #3 are also RWD. All of the 997's are AWD and I believe 2 of the 996's are AWD. The rest are RWD. Also, all of them weigh MUCH more than the 9ff car does.
 

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Impressive on no1 and no3 to acheive good launches with 2WD, they must have drag tyres? Both 9ff also had street tyres.

As stated it is also about gearing and progressive power. And drivers of course.
 


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