On my 5th BMW, an '08 M5 which I love. Have owned 3 Porsches - '56 1600 Super. a 912 and a '73 911 Targa - but - been reading thru this forum and seeing what you folks drive and I'm getting the newer 911 "wants".

Looking on EBay and auto trader at : '08-'10 C4S and Turbos in both Coupe and Cabrio models - color preferences are Speed Yellow and maybe Guards Red (maybe too Silver or Black). I really prefer a CPOd car, but.....

Saw on EBay this :

1) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-...item5642469c49

and this is "local" (which I quickly looked at - color Silver tho) :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-...item3364f625bb

and here (not thrilled with the interior) :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...item1e617e8863

Phoenix car (= high taxes) :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2010-...item56428069a4

curious as to what Options are a must, nifty, nice to have (money is somewhat of an object)

any "new" car wouldn't be a DD - would be a fair weather, get out and run it and a once or twice trip from Texas to the West Coast (no Tracking but maybe just scaring friends once in a while)

HELP ME, please..... Thank you

 

I would go for the yellow 2009 tt and make an offer for 103,000.. Pdk is better than Tip but Turbo is a lot better than Carrera 4S. The yellow looks good imo ;-)

 

First on the list, the yellow one. For me the only options I would get is the PCCB (purely because I don't like brake dust) and the sport chrono. Have fun :-)

 

It's over now...no turning back after getting hooked into this website. The hunt for one is very fun. I'd get out there and test drive all the models with different options. Drive a turbo with a 6 spd, tip, and then try the C4S PDK. Once you figure out some of the details...year, model, trasnmission, etc... then you can find the color interior/exterior you want. Test drive the cars at dealers near you for that as color doesn't matter till your ready.

Sports Chrono option is a must...after that you'll need to start learning about what fits your wants/needs as there is much to choose from....brakes, seats, interiors, etc...some things changed from 08 to 09...research on here as there is plenty of details.

 

The '07-'09 are pretty similar except a newer version of PCM in '09. Most important, they all have a dry sump engine. The newer turbos are fast, but no longer have the dry sump motors, instead use the 9A1 wet sump consumer grade engine. If you're not keeping it past the warranty then I wouldn't worry about it.

 

thank you fellows - really appreciate the responses.

I'm thinking the C4S over the C2S just because of the "look" - maybe I'm not "thinking" clearly...

I don't want a MT and would choose a newer model because of the PDK (vs Tip)

I don't keep newer cars past their warranty

Cabrio - have had 2 converts previously - won't stay adjusted so leak badly (they just look so good with the top down..IMO, not pretty with top up)

Will drive the 2/4/turbo before buying and will hold out for the "right" car (options, colors, etc)

thanks

 

Don't forget to use other search options - e.g.,. porsche used car locator, cars.com, and dupont registry. Good luck!

 

Where do you guys come up with this stuff ? The 9A1 Turbo *IS* a dry sump motor. Simply the tank is on the bottom instead of hanging off the side. No place, no where, inside that motor does the tank come in contact with the rotating assembly in the crank case. They are separated by the walls of the crank case. If you doubt me go read the Porsche documents.

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...s/?gtabindex=2

"Integrated DRY SUMP LUBRICATION"

"Integrated dry-sump lubrication ensures a reliable supply of oil even when a sporty driving style is adopted. It also has additional cooling functions.
The oil tank is located in the engine, thereby eliminating the need for an external oil tank.

A total of seven oil pumps ensure the supply of oil. Six of those return the oil from the cylinder heads and exhaust gas turbochargers directly to the oil sump where a seventh oil pump feeds oil directly to the lubrication points in the engine.

To reduce drive losses and increase efficiency, an electronic on-demand oil pump is used. This means that the oil pump is operated at high power when there is high demand and at low power when there is low demand. The result is an optimized oil supply appropriate to requirements, lower fuel consumption and fewer emissions."


My only real complaint is it no longer has a real dipstick, you have to rely on the electronic one.

This design of dry sump has been used by many engine manufactures and motorcycles for years.

--CC

 

In addition, the one thing that really interests me with this engine is the oil pump system. The main oil pump is mechanically driven *but* the pressure is electronically regulated.

My hope is that in event of a failure of the electronics the normal mechanical / spring regulated pressure bypass system is still active and it goes back to high pressure.

My hope is that the electronic regulation of pressure is in the form of an electronic bypass valve that hopefully can not become stuck open.

Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to see that inner workings of that system ... yet.

--CC

 

Like you, I owned a 2007 M5 (great car btw). Coming from rear wheel drive 500hp V10, i would definitely not go for the Carrera 4S, i was disappointed, and i think you would be too. Turbo is the only way to go. I wouldn't look at anything but 2010 PDK versions, and like you said keep it for 3-4 years and go for the next generation.

 

I went from an E60 M5 to a 2010 TT (PDK) cab. Loved the beamer, but so glad I made the switch. You won't regret it.

 

very interesting 2 posts above - I hadn't looked at my car search dilemma that way

 

You have had way too much of the Koolade . The integrated dry sump motors are not true dry sumps. There is a reason that the GT2RS,GT3,RS and every factory race car uses a true dry sump. It's the same reason the GT1 Metzger cost twice as much as the m96/9A1.

 

Oh so wrong again. One of the new 2011 GT's was on the podium at the 24 hours. It had the new engine.

Dry sump is dry sump. It either is or it aint. The 9A1 *IS* a dry sump motor period. No koolaide, just fact.

As to cost, that was part of the justification of the 9A1 engine, reduce parts count and cost. Looks like P succeeded.

Show me actual docs or pictures that prove different. I showed you the actual P literature and provided links. I've seen a 9A1 with the tank cover off, and that's all it is. A tank with some oil plumbing in it, half of it is block, half is an aluminium cover, no rotating assemblies, nowhere near them.

--CC

 

I'd agree as well. I came out of a 2008 M5 and originally looked at a couple of 997.1's for my first 911. I was a bit disappointed in the power (who wouldn't be after driving that v10!) and ended up with a 996TT. Much better power and more comparable to the M5 for me.

Only problem is after you always want more M5 --> TT --> ????

Good luck in your search - 2010 or newer PDK turbo is the way to go.