Wow! I still see those types of things... In fact I had a phone call yesterday from a person with a GT3 that had blown his engine.... He bought a flash and was told that they could put it to stock before he went to the Dealer. Well they tried and the CVN was still bad so no warranty since he had a tuned file in one way or another....

Then again you can only fix so much.

 

You can turn the counter completely off with software but you can't adjust the ranges. If you turn it completely off it will absolutely be a red flag because some cars right off the boat even have range 1's! The only way to completely erase all memory of the over-revs is to reprogram the ECU.

Porsche has infinite tools that most people are not aware of, even tuners. With your dealership experience as a former Porsche tech Scott, you should know this.

Misleading people into thinking software can mask anything in the ECU is just wrong, I'm sorry. When anyone asks me straight up, "will GIAC software void my warranty"....the answer is always "YES". Of course, our Champion warranty backs you up anyway, but that's another thread

Just a slight correction. Porsche DID resolve that issue.

That little jab was unnecessary. We can all point fingers at tunes that have blown motors...and being at a dealership I can probably point more fingers then most of you...but I won't and don't. Let's keep it classy

 

That particular car is an Alpha28 car with our hitachi fueling kit.

Our software for 996 and 997 models does not report overrevs in the range that we raise the rev limit (IE if we raise the rev limiter to 7200, it will not report in range 1 or 2). We also have the ability to correct it for customers who switch to our software. We leave the actual overrevs above redline "live" for diagnostic purposes.

I should add that before late 2009, we would just raise the rev limit for people who had to have it (with fair warning). At that time, we realized that no one could properly do this. So we spent the engineering hours to figure out how to modify the thresholds and the values properly. Not being reliant on third parties to make flashing and map writing tools really works to our benefit in cases like this. Our engineering team has the ability to understand the program flow in the DME and see which values and tables it uses, and when. We have a large number of OE Porsche dealers who scan our vehicles flashed with our software regularly and report no odd findings.

 

I'm aware of the quote infinite amount of tools and more so than you think or know.

Now as far as Martin??? I do not know what or who you are talking about, it looks like the jab was the other way.

I didn't say anything about masking yet you did???

 

Come on man...you know exactly what we're talking about. Let's not go down this road. He and I are friends.

 

Bravo. That right there is a refreshing thing to hear. Money obviously isn't everything and keeping it honest is always the right way.

 

I definitely agree with this. A simple read out of any modfied DME will show modified code and there is nothing any tuner can do to mask this.

My previous post was simply speaking of over rev reporting and that alone.

 

Pfftt a few hundred type 4's and 5's.....

 

996TT range 2 is over 7200rpm...so if you have a rev limit set at 7200rpm,every time you hit it you get range 2 revs...

 

Yes and very true.. As I have always stated all tuned files are detectable as being non original or tuned. A 1 bit change would make it tuned unless in an area that is for a VIN change or software number etc. A non tuned or original isn't detectable as it is what it is supposed to be.
Masking would be trying to cover up a tune that is in the car and would never pass a Bin pull.

I simply pull the entire binary to check the race cars for this reason.

 

You could set it below that, 7150, 7100, 7000 etc.

 

The ranges can be changed if one wanted to yet it would require more work that is worth it for possibly getting 1-3.

What is easier is to change any of them to whatever you want. Yes they can be altered to any number or hour. This is not something that I do as part of any flash though.

Now if a car had over revs in 1 off the boat it wouldn't be a given that whom ever buys it would would continue to get more , correct? Many people never rev their car to the red line so no more over revs would ever be increased. Many never put any on the cars its entire life.

 

Firstly i would like to thank the tuners Scott (Softronic), Austin (Giac), Tom (CMS) Alex (Sharkwerks) and to the various others making a valued contribution to this thread. Its an honour to have you guys chime in the way you all have to clear this topic up once and for all. Thanks . Now on to the topic at hand...

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Thank you for your advice Tom.


Scott as an example how would you interpret a range 5 (7900 to 9000)that reads 3/123h? or, a range 6 (9000 to 11000) that reads 1/123h?

Note these examples are also 3 ignitions or less so if the code had a deviation to 4 ignitions then neither range would show as a spike?

Also what is the maths to work out eg: a range 1 with 456/321h? How many times does that mean its hit into that range?

For Scott:

1) Scott, is Skandalis correct in saying that the piwis tool is truly the only real way of making an accurate determination of the ranges that have been hit?

2) Have you ever had any experience of inaccuracy in this area using Durametric 6?

 

Thank you for posting this .
A similar discussion in the 997 section ended with far too much drama .

 

Regarding raising the limiter --
Is it even possiblt to do so an a PDK car ? I am under the impression that the fuel cutoff or PDK ignore feature would prevent it.