Pccb or not?
#1
Pccb or not?
I am ordering a new 997TT and would like your input on adding the PCCb's to the list of ordered options.
I currently have a 09 C4S and find the brakes outstanding. I do not track the car just regular driving. I know two of the advantages of PCCBs are less weight and little brake dust.
Other than cost, are there any other disadvantages. Any other advantages.
Appreciate any comments you have.
I currently have a 09 C4S and find the brakes outstanding. I do not track the car just regular driving. I know two of the advantages of PCCBs are less weight and little brake dust.
Other than cost, are there any other disadvantages. Any other advantages.
Appreciate any comments you have.
#3
You have to be careful when they are wet. Every once in awhile, you hit the brakes and they don't grab. That being said, I have them on the Turbo S (standard on the S), had them on the '08 Turbo (traded last month) and ordered them on my 2011 Cayenne that was build on 4/20/11. I would not order a Porsche without them. If buying a used Porsche, it would not be a deal breaker if it did not have them.
There have been a lot of threads about this. Here is one and if you do a search, you will find many others.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...te-brakes.html
There have been a lot of threads about this. Here is one and if you do a search, you will find many others.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...te-brakes.html
Last edited by imcarnuts; 04-23-2011 at 07:55 PM.
#4
Everything comes with a price tag whether you're paying with money or with pain. So here are my 2 cents: pccb looks great, much lighter, phenomenal braking ability. Ok now here is the price you're going to pay: cost $15k to replace the rotor but chances are you won't have the car then. Secondly, this is my ultimate sacrifice and the price I'm paying for and it's the excruciating squeal and squeaks the you will have to endure, not to mention the embarassing gawk from the guy pulling up next to you.
It feels good pulling up next to a Porsche who has standard brakes but if it started to squeal, I say look away and avoid eye contacts because he's thinking in his head "here's another idiot with money"
It feels good pulling up next to a Porsche who has standard brakes but if it started to squeal, I say look away and avoid eye contacts because he's thinking in his head "here's another idiot with money"
#5
For a non track event car the standard brakes are outstanding, lot of opinions, for and against PCCB here, look for a thread on it.
I've had both and didn't see a big difference in daily use, less brake dust with ceramics.
Spend the 8K on some other options or aftermarket up grades like some cool wheels.
I've had both and didn't see a big difference in daily use, less brake dust with ceramics.
Spend the 8K on some other options or aftermarket up grades like some cool wheels.
#6
Everything comes with a price tag whether you're paying with money or with pain. So here are my 2 cents: pccb looks great, much lighter, phenomenal braking ability. Ok now here is the price you're going to pay: cost $15k to replace the rotor but chances are you won't have the car then. Secondly, this is my ultimate sacrifice and the price I'm paying for and it's the excruciating squeal and squeaks the you will have to endure, not to mention the embarassing gawk from the guy pulling up next to you.
It feels good pulling up next to a Porsche who has standard brakes but if it started to squeal, I say look away and avoid eye contacts because he's thinking in his head "here's another idiot with money"
It feels good pulling up next to a Porsche who has standard brakes but if it started to squeal, I say look away and avoid eye contacts because he's thinking in his head "here's another idiot with money"
#7
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#10
I have PCCB's. No squeal. Perfect brake pedal feel.
I tracked them last month and will be tracking again on Monday. Absolutely no fade.
Go for them. There's a reason why all other super and hyper cars have ceramics as well.
I also heard our second generation cermaics are much better than the first.
I tracked them last month and will be tracking again on Monday. Absolutely no fade.
Go for them. There's a reason why all other super and hyper cars have ceramics as well.
I also heard our second generation cermaics are much better than the first.
#12
Last week I was at Leipzig for Porsche driving school, it was right after replacing my PCCB pads. I was reading here on the forum that they have to be replaced when they come to 50% so I changed them. It was then when i noticed that I was very close to disaster. I found out that on the one side the pads were 50% and on the other almost nothing, another 200kms and the steel plate under the pad was about to touch on the disc and destroy it.
I asked some of the instructors who are very familiar with PCCB. What they said is that this is their major problem with PCCBs, different driving styles make them wear out in different ways, this puts owners in risk because the sensor s in the middle. If I was waiting for the sensor it would be too late for me.
Then i asked the question how long do discs last? Or how many brake pad sets will I use till the discs are for replacement?
Yoshi, one of Porsche test drivers smiled and said that you can wear a brand new PCCB in a single track day, think which he did several times.
He also said that the GT2RS completely destroyed it's brakes after testing on track.
His advice was PCCBs are great for road use not for track, almost no motorsport company if any uses them on the track.
If you track the car, not a good idea, if not go for it.
I'll post some pics of my old pads for you to see
I asked some of the instructors who are very familiar with PCCB. What they said is that this is their major problem with PCCBs, different driving styles make them wear out in different ways, this puts owners in risk because the sensor s in the middle. If I was waiting for the sensor it would be too late for me.
Then i asked the question how long do discs last? Or how many brake pad sets will I use till the discs are for replacement?
Yoshi, one of Porsche test drivers smiled and said that you can wear a brand new PCCB in a single track day, think which he did several times.
He also said that the GT2RS completely destroyed it's brakes after testing on track.
His advice was PCCBs are great for road use not for track, almost no motorsport company if any uses them on the track.
If you track the car, not a good idea, if not go for it.
I'll post some pics of my old pads for you to see
#13
Everything comes with a price tag whether you're paying with money or with pain. So here are my 2 cents: pccb looks great, much lighter, phenomenal braking ability. Ok now here is the price you're going to pay: cost $15k to replace the rotor but chances are you won't have the car then. Secondly, this is my ultimate sacrifice and the price I'm paying for and it's the excruciating squeal and squeaks the you will have to endure, not to mention the embarassing gawk from the guy pulling up next to you.
It feels good pulling up next to a Porsche who has standard brakes but if it started to squeal, I say look away and avoid eye contacts because he's thinking in his head "here's another idiot with money"
It feels good pulling up next to a Porsche who has standard brakes but if it started to squeal, I say look away and avoid eye contacts because he's thinking in his head "here's another idiot with money"
#14
Do this: Take the $10K you would spend on the option, add another $15K you might have to spend on rotors at some point and fly to Vegas. Go the the Bellagio or your favorite place and tell the house you intend to place a single $5K bet on your favorite game of chance during each of the next five days and you want them to comp a nice room and take care of you.
Here's what you get: a really nice vacation, enough excitement and memories each day to last a lifetime and you probably won't come home broke; maybe even make a few grand.
Here's what you keep: a really nice car with really good red brakes that stops just as well as one with yellow ones.
Decisions, decisions......best.
Here's what you get: a really nice vacation, enough excitement and memories each day to last a lifetime and you probably won't come home broke; maybe even make a few grand.
Here's what you keep: a really nice car with really good red brakes that stops just as well as one with yellow ones.
Decisions, decisions......best.
#15
No brake dust on the rims is worth the price of entry. I have 1200 miles on my car and the rims look just they did on delivery. Simply hose off and dry!!
**I have never heard mine squeal (except for the first few brake taps after I wash the car).
**I have never heard mine squeal (except for the first few brake taps after I wash the car).
Last edited by thebland; 04-23-2011 at 09:23 PM.