As you seem to be so adept at doing, you are ignoring all the salient points of the information provided, neglecting to take any responsibility for not reading and following the literature, and then proclaiming that it is someone's fault and/or there is product defect.

As I have stated several times, the pads in this system do exhibit one fading cycle before achieving and maintaining stable performance. This is assuming one immediately goes out and runs them hard. Alternatively with some time and regular use they will also be seasoned and achieve stable performance without ever having experienced fade.

In the attached graphs you can see these effects. There are 2 fade tests run with the procedure that I previously posted. 15 back to back stops. You can see that by stop #4 the friction coefficient is falling. However, the test continues. You will also notice that by stop #7 the friction coefficient has bottomed and actually starts improving again despite continued increases in temperature (blue is temp at beginning of stop, red is temp at end of stop). You can see the performance keeps rising right through the end of the test.

The system is driven to cool the brakes to baseline condition, and the test is re-run. In the second graph you can see that the performance does not fall-off.

 

Fascinating thread!
Sorry to hear about the problems, but from what I have read, this clearly seems like a problem with bedding. Coming from an engineering background, even the most over engineered, highest-standard meeting components can fail if they are not broken in correctly or installed incorrectly. I would highly doubt that this is a problem with the compounds, or engineering of the unit.

I believe the blame lies with a failure to advise the OP or failure in understanding of the correct break-in procedure.

Good luck to all - and even though some of you may feel like you're repeatedly banging your head against the wall, rest assured that your efforts are not in vain. You have provided a wealth great info on this thread!!!

...now going to award "rep-power" to all

 

BTW, the cracking going on with the brake pads is most likely due to the fact that you didn't do a proper bed in procedure. Most people think that the bed in procedure is just for the rotor surface, but it's actually meant for the pads themselves as well. The bed in process makes the pads not crack and have chunks fly off. I've witnessed the difference myself of when I did not properly bed in the brakes.

 

ok, new discs and pads are on the car.
this is picture after 10 times 100km/h to 10km/h hard braking.
pads didn't small during this process.

so tomorrow I can do 300 to 200 km/h braking 3 times or I have to do something else before?

if the situation will be the same I'm very curious what you will write......

 

I thought you were supposed to take it easy on the brakes for the first couple hundred kilometre/miles, then do the hard-brake bedding after? I followed these steps on my kit and have not had any issues with my kit on the track, Original pads or with Endless pads. Sorry if you guys went over this already, I didn't start from page 1.

 

easy was on the first time, car did 2000 kilometers on motorway before any hard braking.....

 

there's nothing wrong with the bedding. Me and Emre did the bedding exactly like described on the Brembo manual that came with the kit. I had the exact same problem too. No brakes, vibrating like crazy and this birdy noise from behind

 

Clearly you haven't read or have failed to understand a single thing that has been written.

I know that continuing this dialog is never going to any kind of useful resolution with you in particular, but hopefully others reading this thread have gotten something out of it and can maybe prevent others from experiencing issues in the future.

First, that isn't the bedding procedure. Second, I have just gone in depth in my last couple posts about the fading characteristics of the new pads why don't you try re-reading that.

What are your goals and expectations for your brakes? Do you just like to slow from 300-200kph repeatedly for no reason? Do you want to run the car at the race circuit? Are you willing to make a tradeoff in respect to potential for brake noise for maximum possible fade resistance?

 

why you didnt replay to besiktas post??????

so maybe you will be so kind and write instructions in short points ? step by step after installation process is finished.

I did what Dan wrote to Dominik, can post his mail if you like?

 

msv, you asked me about my goals?
my goal is to have better than 350mm stock brakes.
I will write this again, I was happy with stock brakes, newer had any problems, I did a lot of hard braking from 300km/h with stock turbo brake pads, I did some track days and as I said stock brakes hold up to 3 laps, so I thought brembo GT will hold at least 6 laps????? But I know for sure that this brakes wouldnt hold even one lap !!!

here is instrction my mechanic received from Dan:

Froman Mermelstein [mailto:dan@vividracing.com]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:49 PM
To: 'Dominik Golos'
Subject: RE: Brembo

Do some very hard 60-5mph stops where you lock up the ABS. Do 10 of these.

Dan Mermelstein
Vivid Racing
Tel: 480.966.3040 x222
Fax: 480.966.0806
Web: www.vividracing.com
AOL IM: evolvedaz

 

To bed properly you run from 60MPH to 0 50+ times. If you choose NOT to do this you will have problems. As I stated I had two cars with these brakes (NOT including my P cars), followed instructions, and had no problems at all - ZERO. It's your $$!

 

so please write exactly what you did.

 

just received another pads.....anyone heard about better ones ?

 

Karol, watch the video posted earlier in this thread. With high performance pads (like your's), especially larger sizes you may want to go to 120km/h to 5km/h. Do not come to a dead stop - keep the car rolling, else you'll unnervingly burn in hot spots into the rotor.

Do that a number of times until you start to experience brake fade - when you have reached the max temp. Then go drive around for a cooling cycle and repeat.
No expert - but that's what I've learned from this thread.

 

I did exactly same, without stopping, I mentioned about it before.