Need help with Bilstein damptronics 2!!!!
#16
in my case, it wasn't a failed droplink, ie the blue ball didn't pop off. in this case it was the entire droplink was ripped off of the coilover body, so I'm not sure if a different droplink would have a different outcome.
#17
quick update. dropped of my car to the installer (who is really great BTW). he said that he's seen this a couple of times which can occur coming out of the driveway as was in my case. he didn't think that it would be a problem to get this fixed under warranty from bilstein. he was going to call them today to get a new coilover sent to him. i'm crossing my fingers and hope that there aren't any hiccups
#20
Real bummer indeed! I would talk to the place that you bought the parts from and show them this:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-advisory.html
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-advisory.html
Last edited by speed21; 12-12-2011 at 06:48 PM.
#21
Disagreed as IMHO this is a poor choice for a daily driver. Moton is an outstanding system for the track, but has high dampening rates and is designed for higher spring rates of 400/600 min, making it impractical for 99% of people for street driving. In addition it has problems just like any other suspension system, including leaking of fluid.
If you are hard core enough to think about installing Moton in the Turbo, IMHO you are in the wrong car and a switch to GT3 or GT2 makes a lot more sense.
The company recently nearly went into bankruptcy and was acquired by another company, AST. That doesn't sound like a stable situation to me.
KW is a good alternative to Bilstein, Moton? For street drving, don't think so.
If you are hard core enough to think about installing Moton in the Turbo, IMHO you are in the wrong car and a switch to GT3 or GT2 makes a lot more sense.
The company recently nearly went into bankruptcy and was acquired by another company, AST. That doesn't sound like a stable situation to me.
KW is a good alternative to Bilstein, Moton? For street drving, don't think so.
Last edited by cannga; 12-13-2011 at 07:25 AM.
#23
If you are referring to Clubsport vs. Motorsport, that has been out a while. Both outstanding system but still considered a primary track setup (high spring rate) and therefore IMHO a poor recommendation for street driving. If you are referring to a new line, that brings even more red flags to the situation. A tiny company escaping bankruptcy is not a stable situation or good recommendation, new line or old line. The acquiring company AST has no presence or reputation among Porsche enthusiasts, and going forwards there will be questions about the provenance of suspension parts.
The excellence of (the old) Moton might bring many problems with maintenance, leaking, and adjustment as well. There are good examples and bad, regardless of systems:
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https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-pressure.html
Zippy, did yours blow too? Man I am having some major issues with my motons. Going into my 5th month and still not installed. FARK!!!!!!
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There is no evidence to show any single system is any more or less reliable than others. Bilstein is not perfect but is reported more often because of its popularity.
If I dig enough, I could find bad examples with any given suspension component, any given ECU system, exhaust system, broken sway bar, broken links. The list goes on. Someone recently reported shock failure requiring replacement on his brand new Turbo - that is the nature of fast moving part and of after-market toys.
Meanwhile, many include me are enjoying the system with little problem. It has saved me thousands because I would have traded the car for GT3 or GT2 otherwise.
The excellence of (the old) Moton might bring many problems with maintenance, leaking, and adjustment as well. There are good examples and bad, regardless of systems:
>>>>
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-pressure.html
Zippy, did yours blow too? Man I am having some major issues with my motons. Going into my 5th month and still not installed. FARK!!!!!!
>>>>
There is no evidence to show any single system is any more or less reliable than others. Bilstein is not perfect but is reported more often because of its popularity.
If I dig enough, I could find bad examples with any given suspension component, any given ECU system, exhaust system, broken sway bar, broken links. The list goes on. Someone recently reported shock failure requiring replacement on his brand new Turbo - that is the nature of fast moving part and of after-market toys.
Meanwhile, many include me are enjoying the system with little problem. It has saved me thousands because I would have traded the car for GT3 or GT2 otherwise.
Last edited by cannga; 12-13-2011 at 12:32 PM.
#24
I would suggest the OP do his own internet research on the topic, and get a refund.
I think eclou or viking (on the racing forum) has the info on the revised moton company.
I think eclou or viking (on the racing forum) has the info on the revised moton company.
#25
At this time I am content to wait to see how this shakes out . I'm aware of the problems that bilstein had in the past but I think to be fair I should give them the opportunity to make me whole. IMO Porsche is part of the problem, if they didn't sell cars with the ride height set at suv levels I wouldnt have to go to the trouble of lowering my car lol.
I'm actually considering trading my car in to get something that doesn't need any mods out of the box such as a gtr....
I'm actually considering trading my car in to get something that doesn't need any mods out of the box such as a gtr....
#26
If BS have established the link as the culprit it seems odd why Bilstein haven't issued an all out recall on all earlier straight links given the safety issue here. What's your take on this Alex? The fact BS has changed the design of the link is an indictment that would go against any previous denials.
That's the very short version to avoid anymore boredom...
#27
Did you order the curved drop links from Bilstein? I have not yet checked which ones I have but I want to know what the costs would be to upgrade if I need to. Hate to have these fail somewhere other than my driveway
#28
Oh my take isn't worth much... and not to BS either... James and I called back when they first came out with the PSS10s as we'd noticed a change and saw a couple of failures. Of course we were crazy back then... we kept sending them boxes with broken drop links and on the 997TT just made our own ones for local installations. Finally a year or so later the 996TT kits started getting different drop links (even though there wasn't a problem lol). For a while there we literally got so fed up we _stopped_ installing/carrying them. Finally a couple of months ago the drop links got a redesign - again even though there wasn't a problem
That's the very short version to avoid anymore boredom...
That's the very short version to avoid anymore boredom...
Tks. And on your in -house experiences with BS (as in calling BS Bullsh.t) which is actually a fitting name in these circumstances but it's pretty standard how no one admits liability for anything these days.
#29
It was pretty frustrating since we were really only trying to help par for the course it seems. It took them 18months but they finally changed things under the radar so to speak...
#30
Disagreed as IMHO this is a poor choice for a daily driver. Moton is an outstanding system for the track, but has high dampening rates and is designed for higher spring rates of 400/600 min, making it impractical for 99% of people for street driving. In addition it has problems just like any other suspension system, including leaking of fluid.
If you are hard core enough to think about installing Moton in the Turbo, IMHO you are in the wrong car and a switch to GT3 or GT2 makes a lot more sense.
The company recently nearly went into bankruptcy and was acquired by another company, AST. That doesn't sound like a stable situation to me.
KW is a good alternative to Bilstein, Moton? For street drving, don't think so.
If you are hard core enough to think about installing Moton in the Turbo, IMHO you are in the wrong car and a switch to GT3 or GT2 makes a lot more sense.
The company recently nearly went into bankruptcy and was acquired by another company, AST. That doesn't sound like a stable situation to me.
KW is a good alternative to Bilstein, Moton? For street drving, don't think so.