08 997 tt first time smoked at start up for 3-4 seconds
#1
08 997 tt first time smoked at start up for 3-4 seconds
This was the first time i experienced the smoke at start up for about 3-4 seconds. Never saw it before , should i be alarmed , or should there be something i am looking out for?
08 997 tt with 24k miles regular service , recent clutch replacement....
08 997 tt with 24k miles regular service , recent clutch replacement....
#2
Totally normal. It happens from time to time. No worries.
#4
It usually happens in hotter weather i find. If you let the engine idle for 30 to 40 seconds before shut down it will usually stop it but it can still happen on the odd occasion. What causes it is fuel leaking off from certain offending injectors after shutdown. The fuel leak off, from being under pressure in the lines between pump and injector can leak out of the injector nozzle and sit in the respective cylinders, and the next time you start will ignite the excess fuel and cause the smoke. You will find the smoke is a greyish colour which also confirms this is a fuel smoke and not oil. The catalytic converters at the time of start are not at full operating temperature therefore are unable to burn off the smoke as it passes through the converters. Oil is a bluish smoke and also has that distinct smell. Fuel smoke under hard acceleration is black however, on start up fuel smoke will maintain a greyish white colour. It seems to be a normal occurrence in these engines, possibly due to the design layout of the engine and fuel system added to the fact the catalytic converters are not at a high enough temperature to arrest the smoke at the time of start up. Why it happens more in hot weather than cold is because in hot weather fuel has more of a tendency to expand placing further pressure on the injector to retain the fuel. As you may know once these turbo engines are shut down often they get hotter before they get colder. That again is because of the confinement of the engine and turbochargers which is why there are thermatic fans which kick in after shutdown to allow the engine compartment to exhaust the build up of hot air. This is also becomes a problem for the battery at one point....another story.
Last edited by speed21; 01-09-2012 at 12:57 AM.
#6
It usually happens in hotter weather i find. If you let the engine idle for 30 to 40 seconds before shut down it will usually stop it but it can still happen on the odd occasion. What causes it is fuel leaking off from certain offending injectors after shutdown. The fuel leak off, from being under pressure in the lines between pump and injector can leak out of the injector nozzle and sit in the respective cylinders, and the next time you start will ignite the excess fuel and cause the smoke. You will find the smoke is a greyish colour which also confirms this is a fuel smoke and not oil. The catalytic converters at the time of start are not at full operating temperature therefore are unable to burn off the smoke as it passes through the converters. Oil is a bluish smoke and also has that distinct smell. Fuel smoke under hard acceleration is black however, on start up fuel smoke will maintain a greyish white colour. It seems to be a normal occurrence in these engines, possibly due to the design layout of the engine and fuel system added to the fact the catalytic converters are not at a high enough temperature to arrest the smoke at the time of start up. Why it happens more in hot weather than cold is because in hot weather fuel has more of a tendency to expand placing further pressure on the injector to retain the fuel. As you may know once these turbo engines are shut down often they get hotter before they get colder. That again is because of the confinement of the engine and turbochargers which is why there are thermatic fans which kick in after shutdown to allow the engine compartment to exhaust the build up of hot air. This is also becomes a problem for the battery at one point....another story.
Obviously the injectors don't leak enough to accumulate large amount of fuel in the cylinder, because in that case it will lead to hydraulic compression at start up and then....New Engine.
But guess if the leak was significant it would have happened to several cars by now....
#7
Excellent technical explanation of the white smoke. I have always thought it was oil, but it bothered me the absence of the distinct oil burning smell.
Obviously the injectors don't leak enough to accumulate large amount of fuel in the cylinder, because in that case it will lead to hydraulic compression at start up and then....New Engine.
But guess if the leak was significant it would have happened to several cars by now....
Obviously the injectors don't leak enough to accumulate large amount of fuel in the cylinder, because in that case it will lead to hydraulic compression at start up and then....New Engine.
But guess if the leak was significant it would have happened to several cars by now....
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#8
very interesting, I would think it is important to let the car run for about half a minuite or so after a drive. It is a good habbit to get yourself into/ i thought it more for the turbo oil pressures and tempature of the turbo but it also seems to be happening on non turbos aswell. I have been eager to get out of the car after a long drive and just shut it off as I pulled into the driveway, I noticed this on my gt3 the following startup the next morning. good info to know, im glad its comman and not just developing issues with my car. I need to relax when I get home and let her run a moment. Thanks for the info speed21 ~ plus 1
#9
very interesting, I would think it is important to let the car run for about half a minuite or so after a drive. It is a good habbit to get yourself into/ i thought it more for the turbo oil pressures and tempature of the turbo but it also seems to be happening on non turbos aswell. I have been eager to get out of the car after a long drive and just shut it off as I pulled into the driveway, I noticed this on my gt3 the following startup the next morning. good info to know, im glad its comman and not just developing issues with my car. I need to relax when I get home and let her run a moment. Thanks for the info speed21 ~ plus 1
#10
Normal. It happens to me if I start my car (cold), move it up a few feet to make room for my second vehicle (in my garage) and come back to it in a day or two then start it up again. It only happens occasionally. Letting you car cool off after a drive is a good habit to get into.
#13
Smokin 997 Carrera S
Never saw any smoke on my 50k Carrera S until a cold start last night (followed by yellow engine light illuminating). It seems odd to me that suddenly lots of grayish/blue chemical smelling smoke would appear. The car immediately stops smoking and continues to run like a top. No smoke with warm starts but this has happened three times already after sitting for 3-4 hours.
Any ideas why the yellow engine light might be on? My mechanic is talking about changing the oil separator (?).
Thanks,
J P
Any ideas why the yellow engine light might be on? My mechanic is talking about changing the oil separator (?).
Thanks,
J P
#14
The yellow CEL is indicative of the presence of an error code or codes which can be accessed with a Durametric or PIWIS reader. Since the CEL came on when the smoke appears, chances are pretty good that the self diagnostic system will lead you to the faulty culprit. A little smoke is quite normal but in the presence of a CEL, you need to find out what its trying to tell you. Best,
#15
It usually happens in hotter weather i find. If you let the engine idle for 30 to 40 seconds before shut down it will usually stop it but it can still happen on the odd occasion. What causes it is fuel leaking off from certain offending injectors after shutdown. The fuel leak off, from being under pressure in the lines between pump and injector can leak out of the injector nozzle and sit in the respective cylinders, and the next time you start will ignite the excess fuel and cause the smoke. You will find the smoke is a greyish colour which also confirms this is a fuel smoke and not oil. The catalytic converters at the time of start are not at full operating temperature therefore are unable to burn off the smoke as it passes through the converters. Oil is a bluish smoke and also has that distinct smell. Fuel smoke under hard acceleration is black however, on start up fuel smoke will maintain a greyish white colour. It seems to be a normal occurrence in these engines, possibly due to the design layout of the engine and fuel system added to the fact the catalytic converters are not at a high enough temperature to arrest the smoke at the time of start up. Why it happens more in hot weather than cold is because in hot weather fuel has more of a tendency to expand placing further pressure on the injector to retain the fuel. As you may know once these turbo engines are shut down often they get hotter before they get colder. That again is because of the confinement of the engine and turbochargers which is why there are thermatic fans which kick in after shutdown to allow the engine compartment to exhaust the build up of hot air. This is also becomes a problem for the battery at one point....another story.
Most of the time the smoke is from oil and not fuel though on boxer engines due to the flat configuration and the oil that tends to get into the combustion chamber after sitting for a while. As an owner of multiple 911 and Subaru STI over the years, it's consistent behavior from both flat engines, though the Subarus definitely tend to smoke less. I'm not sure if that's because of the lower number of cylinders, longer exhaust path to the tailpipes, minor differences in the engine design, or who knows what.
The yellow CEL is indicative of the presence of an error code or codes which can be accessed with a Durametric or PIWIS reader. Since the CEL came on when the smoke appears, chances are pretty good that the self diagnostic system will lead you to the faulty culprit. A little smoke is quite normal but in the presence of a CEL, you need to find out what its trying to tell you. Best,