In my experiences, these cars smoke sometimes on start up, more so if you just shut the car off on the previous drive, my solution which has worked well for me is to just give the car a minute or two when shutting down, this has cut down the amount of smoke.

 

Thank you guys for your replies. I will be taking it tomorrow to Tom Williams in Irondale, AL to have it looked at and talk about the smoke and warranties. I am definately skeptical, and I'll keep you guys posted. Wish me luck!

 

good luck

 

Get the PPI done and in addition I would get the DME readout and a compression check. As previously stated white smoke is due to water/coolant in the cylinder which is detrimental.

 

Guys you are all barking up the wrong tree with this white smoke from condensation in the cylinders theory. That is nonsense. The engine is not a steam iron. This white smoke is most likely from excess fuel, unable to be burned during the combustion cycle. The catalitic converters are not at temperature to arrest the smoke (unburned fuel) which is why the smoke is visible until the engine and cats reach correct temp. The cause could be from a few things but none to do with water in cylinders that is for certain. This engine should not be hamered at wot until it has reached correct operating temperature anyway and doing so is just plain negligent and incompetant operation. The fact the seller is allowing you to hammer the engine when it is cold is indicative he is a desperate fool who has absolutely no idea how to treat a car like this. You simply don't do things like this and the fact he is allowing you to do it is indicitive many others have probably done far worse in their test drive exploits, so that said i'd walk away from not only the car but from the seller regardless of what he is peddling. If it is blowing white smoke and the smoke stops after the engine has warmed up then that is actually a good sign. An issue with the separator can cause white smoke in an engine that is at operating temp but that should show as a fault on piwis. The smell is usually oil though, confirming burned oil is the culprit, much the same as what would be the case if it was a worn turbo seal where residual oil has built up in the intake and has been ingested during cold start and/or normal wot. As this engine reportedly doesn't display any white smoke symptoms once at operating temp is actually a good sign. If it does so repeatedly when cold it may (possibly) indicate an issue with the fuel system or, a low compression issue due to cylinder damage or valve seating issues but these are really worse case scenarios and most likely not applicable untill further testing has confirmed the cause. Eitherway, using wot whilst cold or, trying to thrash the problem out if the engine while it is cold is just plain negligence and will achieve nothing other than potentially causing damage to the engine. No offense to anyone but I find it astonishing to hear how a person serious about buying a car (like this) they are test driving is actually prepared to take it out and flog it cold like that and then buy it. I mean why would you?

 

Just got back from the dealer - I took it to Higginbotham Porsche of Jackson, MS because they were much cheaper and nicer over the phone. They spent 3 hours looking for a problem while trying to sell me a CPO Carrera S and they couldn't find a single one. They said this was one of the cleanest, well taken care of turbos they have ever seen. The coolant was full, and the turbos were in excellent shape. They made a 13 page analysis report - every single part of this car is well within tolerances. The only discrepancies were 3 misfires but they said it was while cruising on the highway and that that is actually a low number. No over-revs, no abuse. A low battery voltage caused the airbag light but it is no longer weak, it had just been sitting at a lot in the winter and not started for weeks.

Speaking of which, the 30 year experienced master Porsche mechanic told me that the smoking came from the fact that the car had been sitting overnight for weeks outside in humid MS winter nights, gathering large amounts of condensation in the cats. Combine that with the fact that Ford overfilled the oil and you have the cause. They have cars on their own lot that have done this. That's the best sounding explanation I have heard, and it makes sense considering how the smoke dissipated. I trust this guy more than the crap Speed21 is spitting out. They told the Ford dealer this and they had them do an additional oil change. They spent $477 today making sure the car was good for me. They are giving me an awesome trade-in value for my truck and 2.39% on the difference. I am going to get this car.<O></O>

Speed21, you have no idea who I am. But I have read enough from you to know that you are an ignorant ***-hole. I am new to Porsche, but I am not new to the game and I am learning. I have over 10 years experience taking apart, maintaining, and using high performance engines on race tracks all over the country. I know what to do and what not to do with engines, and why.

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This is what I used to do on the weekends before AF flight training took priority. Those laps are only a few seconds off lap record.
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If you could have just comprehended what I said, you would have realized that I said that the car was idling for a few minutes, I got on it a bit leaving a light but took it nowhere near redline. That is far removed from what you gathered on what I said, and what you based all of your smartass comments on. I would be more careful in the future. Get your facts straight before making judgments and looking like an ***.<O</O

 

Steverin06: Not nice and uncalled for.

 

wow now boys relax.
Deep breath.

Dear Steve, welcome to the forums. You have been here for a few days and made 7 posts. Speed21 on the other hand, has been around since Feb 2010, has made a few thousand points and has gathered 133 rep points so people tend to like what he says. And as far as I have seen in the several years I have been around, on and off, he does make interesting, well researched and opinionated posts. His post to you was an effort to share info and his opinion. Granted, he ended it with a sentence which although he said no offense, apparently it offended you.

I am not a fan of "you dont know who I am" types of arguments, because we have a lot of a$$es here in Greece who like this attitude. We are in a forum with very expensive cars. There are several people on here, from Gulf State royalty to really wealthy individuals, and, what was the other post I was reading the other day - yes, successful landscape architects who have done very well for themselves. We are all "somebody's" in our own way.

In my life I have found that I dont brag about my accomplishments verbally, I SHOW them first hand to those who challenge me. So welcome to the forum, I am looking forward to reading a lot of useful info from your posts, since your background shows that you have skills to share, and I recommend that you become familiarized with the environment before flaming on anyone, whether they deserve it or not.

 

You do know an oil over fill will kill these engines? A quick search will prove this.

 

Sure do. A quick search can also prove that there is quite a lot of difference in opinions on what overfilling is. Is it anything over 8.5? Over 9? Either way, the machanic told me it was only slightly over filled and wasn't a problem.

 

You know I could tell my boss "with all due respect..." and make the same point about him that 21speed did about myself and the dealer and I would be grounded for a month. Doesn't matter if he says "not trying to offend anyone.." If he's going to say he's astonished that I would be so stupid to thrash the car while cold and the dealer a desperate fool for letting me do so, when I made it perfectly clear that absolutely wasn't what I was saying at all, then he warrants that response. My "somebody" was directly referenced to his ignorance on his opinion on my knowledge about how to treat a high performance engine. Thanks for the welcome Nick.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

 

Wow! a$$hole this! and a$$hole that!....jeesh that's quite a mouth you've got on you there mate. Seems with all that knowledge and experience one could reasonably question why you even bothered posting for answers in the first place.... or should one just make the general asumption it was merely an ambit thread to run up your post count? And what's with all the motor bike riding prop clips? Identity crisis perhaps?. I fail to see the relevence with those but good luck with that. How embarrassing!...yet sooo boring.
Anyway i don't back away from anything i said re the way the car was driven or what the most likely cause of the sympom you (say you) had experienced was regardless of what you were subsequently told by your service tech. Firstly, car salesman in unofficial Porsche Dealerships are generally just sales folks doing their job of making a sale wherever they can, however, it doesnt automatically mean they are geniuses on how to operate the machinery correctly....as evidenced by your own account. All Porsche sales persons i've come across have all demonstrated the necessary knowledge and experience to educate the potential client whilst protecting the vehicle. This practice rarely exists in unofficial high end dealerships from what i have experienced in my time in the industry. Your knowledge on how to operate a high performance engine from a cold state is somewhat contradictory in your earlier description (which yes i had read). Starting an engine and then idling for 2 minutes on a very cold morning doesn't constitute driving the engine gently or correctly until it has reached correct operating temp before applying any level of throttle. Even the owners manual has the information how to warm the car up and incidentally idling isn't part of that regime anyway....and for various reasons.....not that idling for 2 minutes is catastrophically bad. Anyway i can see you have obvious identity issues therefore, i won't bother further explaining the technical reason behind why these engines can sometimes emit white smoke after a cold start. Oh and btw i loved the tanty "you dont know who i am!" that was too funny. Don't you realize your name is in you profile? So of course i know who you are. You are Steven Hendricks from MS. That's who you are! Anyway..... it's Australia day here and it's neally 40 deg C and its only 10.30 in the morning here in WA so this little "nobody" is off to the beach to throw a few shrimps on the BBQ. You on the other hand have yourself a great evening...and try and take some of dianic's good advice and settle yourself down....and put that drum set away please.

PS Thanks hroussard and Nick for trying to get through to this guy. I guess his ego has got stepped on somewhere along the way.

 

Australian, that explains it.
I don't even need to say anything, just quoting your ignorance.

 

For a new member you have effectively thrown the 6 speedonline code of ethics into the toilet with your grossly disrespectful and abusive talk, and now stooping to making racist remarks..... Where do you get off? I completely understand why you were shopping a used bargan basement priced Porsche in a Ford dealership.

I hold a lot of respect for Official Porsche Service techs. I have come to know a few of them well over the duration of my various Porsche car ownerships over the past 18 years and consider some as friends. However, they are not always correct as i have found. Most are very good at the general servicing side but get to the technical side of things there are some holes....which is to be expected particularly given their limited exposure where certain engine related issues are concerned. Thankfully there are places like 6speed where true porsche owners can get together and share their problems, experiences, cocerns and findings, and it is often this very information that can be shared with the "guru" techs to solve certain customer issues that are often quoted as "normal" in a bid to retain their credibility with client and/or put them at ease in the meantime. I can quote a number of warranty related instances of my own now where lifetime service techs have been uanble to answer the call without seeking advice from PAG which, has mainly happened as a consequence of certain information i have obtained from this site. If you wish to take the spoken (now paid) word of a 30 year tech as gospel that's fine by me as is the case if you wish to consider me as ignorant in my evaluations and advice. My research is very sound on this issue as are my resources and industry associates that i am certain of....but as always, one is entitled to believe what they choose. There has not been one poster on this thread that you have paid any notice to, infact the contrary where you have been bordeline rude (re the oil level rspnses by another member). You ask for advice yet you seek to shoot the messenger. As i said previously, i dont know why you bothered posting this thread up in the first place.

 

I am sorry to see that you didnt absorb the hidden messages in my post Steve.

This is a community in which you build reputation. Look at the top right corner of the banner representing your avatar on each of your posts. The little red boxes that you are accumulating are negative rep points from members, which you will need to struggle to reverse. Now look at Speed21's same area, he has 135 points and several little green boxes, which wont change. In your user CP menu, you can read the posted comments on the negative rep points that you have received.

Oh well.