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Old 02-07-2012 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Squat
Well agreed if you sit there banging off the limiter! Its like with a money shift. If you feed the car enough gas its going to produce the power. Its not going to be fast enough to catch it. Point is in a tip you are not going to have extended period of time at the level 2 but could record some.
So I guess you aren't 100% confident that there can be no ovverrev in a stock tiptronic/pdk car.

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Old 02-07-2012 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by skandalis447
I ve seen many tip cars stock with range 2 overrevs...if you floor it with 1st an manual mode the rev limit will hit hard and inertia will allow the engine to rev at range 2 (7000-7200)...however it is almost impossible with a stock tip car to record range 3,4,5 and 6 overrevs...so no needto worry about motor health...
Many discussions regarding this topic at Rennlist too. One of the posters doesn't think that inertia comes into play and is convinced that the rev limiter will prevent an over rev, stopping the engine's rpms at the limit, no higher. Maybe we're more enlightened in this forum.
 
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Old 02-07-2012 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by skandalis447
I ve seen many tip cars stock with range 2 overrevs...if you floor it with 1st an manual mode the rev limit will hit hard and inertia will allow the engine to rev at range 2 (7000-7200)...however it is almost impossible with a stock tip car to record range 3,4,5 and 6 overrevs...so no needto worry about motor health...
Thank you Skandalis
THIS is my point. But others in the thread won the semantics war
 
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Old 02-07-2012 | 02:02 PM
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In manual mode with sport mode on, car will not atomically shift up. It will bounce of the rev- limiter. In full auto mode, with sport mode on or off the car will shift at redline. Seems like it would be hard to over rev the car.
 
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Old 02-07-2012 | 02:08 PM
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However you can twist semantics into saying you do because EVERYONE that has a remote clue about cars knows that the car shuts the gas off AFTER you hit the limiter there is still power being developed so you will go over the limiter for .000001 of a second but you went over it so they are right
 
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Old 02-08-2012 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by skandalis447
I ve seen many tip cars stock with range 2 overrevs...if you floor it with 1st an manual mode the rev limit will hit hard and inertia will allow the engine to rev at range 2 (7000-7200)...however it is almost impossible with a stock tip car to record range 3,4,5 and 6 overrevs...so no needto worry about motor health...
Agree this is a likely scenario for an over rev to show on a Tip, even though i hear the tip has a slightly lower red limit of 6600 than the manual. Not sure if the range 1 counter is different to accommodate for that difference?

Skand as you point out, in a first gear wot shift up to the limiter in manual mode, even after the precise point ignition is cut the engine will still have a degree of inertia to throw it further past the redline and into the over-rev range. So a tip can never fully immune to an over rev spike.

A tuner may possibly be able to answer exactly what deactivates when the limiter is hit eg: spark, fuel, throttle body valve etc. It would be interesting to know whether the butterfly shuts immediately. Regardless, it would be hard to imagine the engine spinning on much more than 4 to 500 rpms at most, least of all 1000rpms pushing it into the range 3's. And agree a range 1 or 2 is hardly likely to cause any damage anyway.
 

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Old 02-08-2012 | 11:20 AM
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Right but there are 6 levels of overrev. The levels the tip "allows" which most tuners tune too and past. So while its an overrev... its not a harmful one persay
 
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Old 02-08-2012 | 01:25 PM
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You are right about the stock tip they won't overrev to range 3 or further. Range two won't cause any damages. Just make sure u have all the reg services done. Oil level is within specs.
 
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