Nick ... not to continue the political undertone of this thread, but thanks for what you've written. Many of the problems of Greece (and the other EU countries) seem to have similar corolations here in the US. And, I doubt if the US will 'wake up' anytime soon ... for the same/same reasons.

Anyway, I really like the DRLs. Very nicely done. I hope you can enjoy driving the beast. Beautifully done mods.

 

Good on you Nicko

 

Thank you guys. Bagger it is difficult for the system to wake up as it has been in auto mode for decades. And the system has learned to think the wrong way. Long time ago you could just print money and save yourself. Borrow and it would be the next governments problem. But it seems to be getting out of control now everywhere...

Debt is too much to handle. Derivative and synthetic instrument trading is based on speculation to make money, and quick trading, affecting core values. Markets have been used to trading at silly multiples, and banks were used to lending at these single multiples. Housing prices have rocketed for no apparent reason surpassing the cost to build the houses by multiples.

Its time to pay the bill. And to save it we need to return to core values, and valuations. Everything must make sense from a simple minded perspective... And it doesnt now, and it wont for a few years to come. I hope your kids are young enough or they are bound to face difficult times.

 

Well...at least we dont spend our time (on an automotive forum) judging any countrys political situation WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE what is going on...You should try escape yourself from TV mate...Everyone loves our country for holidays...but you judge us when we spend our hard earned money to buy a Porsche?
P.S. We were driving too fast to be stoned...

 

Because me and my other fellow countrymen here are sooo large we decided to buy you a ticket so that you can come over here and stone us.... let me know when you are available pls!

P.S. I did not see you or any other Swiss complain or even ask where the money came from when all of these "political bandits" (or even criminals) brought billions to your country's bank accounts and you used them at your disposal for investements etc... funny huh...

 

I used them? That is news for me, gotta look under my bed or something.
Yeah, I am in Switzerland, I am not Swiss. I am not German either, just in case.

There are political bandits everywhere, also banking interests. Greece has 3 families that run the country, as far as I know, or was it two? Correct me if I am wrong. Anyway, cooking books with help of Goldman Sachs to show "hard earned" money on a country level, that's nice. Was nice for Greece. Not much production but quite high general standards of living, nice to be a government employee.

Nice that you mention tourism, given that tourist flow from Germany, from where the bulk of tourists came in the first place, fell 30%. I guess noone wants to be called a **** by people who were not even of sperm-size when the war was fought. Yeah when it comes to borrowing, it's a federal matter and Germany should be a good partner and get into more debt for the sake of the Union. When it comes to spending, Germany should butt out because of national sovereignty. National sovereignty with other peoples money.

 

so you tell me everything is fabulous in Greece? I guess riots were just for the hell of it as well.
Reminds me of van Rompuy and Barroso telling everyone how great situation in EU is.


BTW, I do not judge, I am not God, I was just curious how you travel around in Greece in a convoy of Porsches without raising negative reactions.

 

You really managed to hijack a thread regarding HR springs on an automotive forum...Maybe you like eibach springs the best...

Seriously two years ago in Greece there were many many Porsche cars driving around...But nowadays there are only a few...And the owners of these cars are real porsche owners...that love their cars and are capable of having one despite the crisis...so please RESPECT these people and try to figure out how to solve your problems...or at least write your thoughts on a political/economical forum...
P.S. nobody of us work at government...not even in any public corporation...all of us are free lancers who work from 8am to 8pm almost every day...and that is why we still have a Porsche...

 

We drive fast.
So you didnt tell us where are you from anyway?
In my view, and from the few lines that you posted, you really have half of a picture to pass judgement, and I suggest you do some reading before doing so.

Its two actually. They dont "run" the country, we have a democracy, have had one for quite some time. We also dont need any help to cook any books from Goldmans. What they did was accepted by the ECB at the time, and was a swap, one of several transactions that take place on every book of every country in the world. After the fact, of course its scrutinized when it surfaces, but trust me when I tell you that we did not invent the wheel in synthetic swaps. It was not hard earned money that was shown, it was debt that was parked.

Furthermore, after 20 years of socialist government, where growth was fueled with borrowed money, its always nice to be a government employee. Dont confuse this with the private sector though. We work harder than many of our European counterparts. How many Swiss or German friends to you have that work 60 or more hour weeks? Leave the office at 8 or 9 pm, and work most weekends.

You are not aware of what Greeks went through in the 2nd world war. If you were, you would not say such stuff. Regardless of your size, sperm or other, you have no sense of Nation. And our NATION was hurt by the *****, and we resisted with courage that your NATION, regardless which one, will not have in your pinky finger. Are you aware that the German govt owes to Greece from the 2nd world war? Let me educate you my ignorant friend.

Greece was forced to maintain the troops of Germany while they expedited from here, to Lybia, Middle East, and the Balkans. These troops were multiples relative to the occupation army stationed in Greece. Furthermore, food from Greece was sent to the front in Lybia, supporting German troops there as well. This led to starvation within Greece. People were dying on the streets. The occupation forces tried to find a solution, by sending a group of financial specialists of the time, sort of like the troika that is here now, but had no luck. The solution finally, proposed by D'Agostini of Italy was the signing of a loan agreement, on March 14th 1942, in absence of the Greek State representatives (!!). It was announced to Greece as "de facto" 9 days later. Greece would pay "occupation" expenses of 1.5bn drachmas a month, and any amount withdrawn over that from the central bank, would be in form of an interest free loan to these governments, to be returned "later". This agreement was modified twice, and in its final form was interest free and in Drachmas. They began returning two installments until 1943, and then they stopped. As it was in default, the agreement stipulated that it would be transformed to interest bearing, and of hard currency, $. This amount had reached 227,940,201 dollars, in 1944 according to the central bank of Greece, or 400 million "post occupational" German marks, according to other sources. This is not an obligation of Germany for "damages" of the occupation army, but a contractual obligation of Germany towards Greece for a loan that was taken at the time. Real cash. You do the math and tell me how much it is worth today, and who owes to who.

So yes, we have the right to speak badly of Germans, just like they do of us recently as the lazy bums of Europe. It is a game of their media, to control the internal politics. Recall the Spiegel magazine article about selling off some parts of the islands to pay off debt? And you have the audacity to speak of sovereign identity? Let me explain something to you. Europe IN ITS WHOLE is the largest client of Germany. And Greece is part of that as well. Germany is the NUMBER ONE country to be in DEEP trouble if the euro weakens. If there are two euros, one for the slower countries and one for the faster. Or if the euro collapses. They can produce all they want, they can be the best lubricated producing machine in the world, and pump out all they want, but if no ones buys them, they are worthless. I am not saying that they are not admirable for their capacity and system. They are. But their well being is a direct result of the buying of the rest of Europe. If that stops, they do too...

If that is not enough to have gotten you to think a bit harder, do devote 6 minutes of your life to the video below, which was from 2010. Listen to this French member of the European Parliament (Danny the Red as they call him, of the European Greens) bring out the craziness of this situation in ALL its glory. I urge all of you to see it, it will put a few things in perspective. It spells out exactly why the money lent to Greece over the last twenty years has been returned to Germany and France... Look after minute 4 for that...


In closing, let me state that it is very annoying as you say NOT to be able to drive MY CAR, which I have paid with MY HARD EARNED CASH, as and when I want, because of the public scrutiny that you mention. It is against my fundamental rights. So I do not appreciate such comments when they are both unthoughtful and not well thought out.

 

very nice ... great new look

 

Skand is right, I did turn my thread into a political one! I apologize to the H&R info seekers!

 

Thanks Misha. Finished cutting the black side stickers will wash the car and take pics over the weekend.

 

looking forward to see end result with black stickers Nick...

 

Well you are too influenced by TV... I have visited places even in great countries like US, UK and more where life is pretty dangerous even without having a Porsche. All you have to do is walk alone...I feel quite safe regardless what i drive, in almost every place i ve been in my country

 

Looks great with the new springs!

Thank you for taking the time explain a bit about the current situation. It most be hard to defend yourself all the time and still not be able to enjoy your hard earned cash in a way you should be.