ESMotor 4.1 Liter Porsche 997 Turbo First Results
#91
Keep all that good work. With all your experience, what is the best wise money kit for having a reliable fast car? Does it worth loosing the vtg system and adding manual/adicional controls (external boost control system, meth system when you have acess to 98ron fuel...)?
I believe that the vtg system provide more torque. I wouldn't mind having a less powered engine with the vtg sytem but with the same insane torque of your built engines. I think that your upgraded tiptronic kit would deal with all that torque easy and allow it to drive as a stock car on the street. On regular street drive, sometimes torque plays a big rule. Just see how less powered diesels engines outperform high powered petrol cars on street just by having higher loads of torque. IMHO, peak hp number isn't so important. I care more about a strong and smooth power band right from low rpms than having a big power curve climb on top rpms just to throw a big hp number on dyno.
I believe that the vtg system provide more torque. I wouldn't mind having a less powered engine with the vtg sytem but with the same insane torque of your built engines. I think that your upgraded tiptronic kit would deal with all that torque easy and allow it to drive as a stock car on the street. On regular street drive, sometimes torque plays a big rule. Just see how less powered diesels engines outperform high powered petrol cars on street just by having higher loads of torque. IMHO, peak hp number isn't so important. I care more about a strong and smooth power band right from low rpms than having a big power curve climb on top rpms just to throw a big hp number on dyno.
I am no expert but I have read here before that vtg also produce to much heat and also their spool is similar to gt30 which can produce more hp than vtg .
If you want a reliable 997 without a build engine on tiptronic you have :P800 , alpha 9 , es850
The best tiptronic kit is from esmotor and its very cheap if you ask me , it only cost 5500 $ , it shifts very fast and handles more than 1000 hp without any problem .
Building your engine is another story than...
#92
Keep all that good work. With all your experience, what is the best wise money kit for having a reliable fast car? Does it worth loosing the vtg system and adding manual/adicional controls (external boost control system, meth system when you have acess to 98ron fuel...)?
I believe that the vtg system provide more torque. I wouldn't mind having a less powered engine with the vtg sytem but with the same insane torque of your built engines. I think that your upgraded tiptronic kit would deal with all that torque easy and allow it to drive as a stock car on the street. On regular street drive, sometimes torque plays a big rule. Just see how less powered diesels engines outperform high powered petrol cars on street just by having higher loads of torque. IMHO, peak hp number isn't so important. I care more about a strong and smooth power band right from low rpms than having a big power curve climb on top rpms just to throw a big hp number on dyno.
I believe that the vtg system provide more torque. I wouldn't mind having a less powered engine with the vtg sytem but with the same insane torque of your built engines. I think that your upgraded tiptronic kit would deal with all that torque easy and allow it to drive as a stock car on the street. On regular street drive, sometimes torque plays a big rule. Just see how less powered diesels engines outperform high powered petrol cars on street just by having higher loads of torque. IMHO, peak hp number isn't so important. I care more about a strong and smooth power band right from low rpms than having a big power curve climb on top rpms just to throw a big hp number on dyno.
Besides the EBC, with other turbos you need BOV's.
Because of your intake, you don't have space to weld BOV's in the Y pipe (you need something like the AMS Y pipe were you put the BOV's in the silicone hoses) or you could put them in the I/C's but you would need another set of I/C's (or make make aluminum end tanks for the GT2RS I/C's so you can weld the BOV's)
Or you could wait a year and I'll sell you my A3071 turbos, Y pipe and BOV's for about the same price as the 68mm VTG's... I want more power
Keep in mind that torque is what kills rods. Whatever you do, torque will be limited by the tune until you rebuild the engine and the tiptronic. Even with that, torque is limited to 1250NM
I'm no expert but I've been reading a lot... 2 years ago I didn't know anything about this... Still not sure if I really do
#93
I think VTG's would be the best option for you, unless you're willing to spend a lot of money.
Besides the EBC, with other turbos you need BOV's.
Because of your intake, you don't have space to weld BOV's in the Y pipe (you need something like the AMS Y pipe were you put the BOV's in the silicone hoses) or you could put them in the I/C's but you would need another set of I/C's (or make make aluminum end tanks for the GT2RS I/C's so you can weld the BOV's)
Or you could wait a year and I'll sell you my A3071 turbos, Y pipe and BOV's for about the same price as the 68mm VTG's... I want more power
Keep in mind that torque is what kills rods. Whatever you do, torque will be limited by the tune until you rebuild the engine and the tiptronic. Even with that, torque is limited to 1250NM
I'm no expert but I've been reading a lot... 2 years ago I didn't know anything about this... Still not sure if I really do
Besides the EBC, with other turbos you need BOV's.
Because of your intake, you don't have space to weld BOV's in the Y pipe (you need something like the AMS Y pipe were you put the BOV's in the silicone hoses) or you could put them in the I/C's but you would need another set of I/C's (or make make aluminum end tanks for the GT2RS I/C's so you can weld the BOV's)
Or you could wait a year and I'll sell you my A3071 turbos, Y pipe and BOV's for about the same price as the 68mm VTG's... I want more power
Keep in mind that torque is what kills rods. Whatever you do, torque will be limited by the tune until you rebuild the engine and the tiptronic. Even with that, torque is limited to 1250NM
I'm no expert but I've been reading a lot... 2 years ago I didn't know anything about this... Still not sure if I really do
I don't want to deal with meth systems or special fuels, other than just pump 98ron (93aki). So torque limits will be hard to achieve due to fuel quality. So with the fuel being the main restriction factor, i believe that a 68mm vtg setup would give me +50nm than your setup on just pump mode and still will be below stock rods limit.
#94
Thanks alot for that info. That is what i was talking about the need to put all that stuff into your car just to have a marginal gain over a 68mm vtg setup on just 98ron pump gas. I know that when you turn on the meth is at a much higher league but i think that with the need of a meth system you lost the daily/trip car factor that Porsche wanted to keep in a sports car.
I don't want to deal with meth systems or special fuels, other than just pump 98ron (93aki). So torque limits will be hard to achieve due to fuel quality. So with the fuel being the main restriction factor, i believe that a 68mm vtg setup would give me +50nm than your setup on just pump mode and still will be below stock rods limit.
I don't want to deal with meth systems or special fuels, other than just pump 98ron (93aki). So torque limits will be hard to achieve due to fuel quality. So with the fuel being the main restriction factor, i believe that a 68mm vtg setup would give me +50nm than your setup on just pump mode and still will be below stock rods limit.
Other option is race fuel. Around 300€ per 60L tank in Portugal
On my set up I just need to turn meth and EBC on and I'm ready to race. (I daily drive @ 1bar, no meth.)
On VTG's it would be better to have 2 maps. 1 to race and another for daily driving., with lower boost.
Send an email to Emre, he will explain everything and tell you what power and times every kit makes.
#95
Keep all that good work. With all your experience, what is the best wise money kit for having a reliable fast car? Does it worth loosing the vtg system and adding manual/adicional controls (external boost control system, meth system when you have acess to 98ron fuel...)?
I believe that the vtg system provide more torque. I wouldn't mind having a less powered engine with the vtg sytem but with the same insane torque of your built engines. I think that your upgraded tiptronic kit would deal with all that torque easy and allow it to drive as a stock car on the street. On regular street drive, sometimes torque plays a big rule. Just see how less powered diesels engines outperform high powered petrol cars on street just by having higher loads of torque. IMHO, peak hp number isn't so important. I care more about a strong and smooth power band right from low rpms than having a big power curve climb on top rpms just to throw a big hp number on dyno.
I believe that the vtg system provide more torque. I wouldn't mind having a less powered engine with the vtg sytem but with the same insane torque of your built engines. I think that your upgraded tiptronic kit would deal with all that torque easy and allow it to drive as a stock car on the street. On regular street drive, sometimes torque plays a big rule. Just see how less powered diesels engines outperform high powered petrol cars on street just by having higher loads of torque. IMHO, peak hp number isn't so important. I care more about a strong and smooth power band right from low rpms than having a big power curve climb on top rpms just to throw a big hp number on dyno.
I have some garret based cars spool significantly faster than VTG equipped cars.
Have you been in an 68mm VTG powered car? If you compare it with Rui's car i bet it will spool slower.
The problem with vtg's is the HOT side, even if you put 72mm compressor wheel on VTG, it will have even more lag, because hotside and compressor side wheels became unbalanced in terms of size. Hotside creates big amount of back pressure.
I'm a supporter of GT based turbo setups, i have been driving them for over 5 years now,
i dont see any point going with VTG's while you are being octane limited.
VTG's need very good cooling and very high flow exhaust system to run optimally.
You are saying that you dont want meth or race fuel, so you are even more limiting your power output with VTG's. (Difference between 63mm and 68mm VTG becomes even smaller)
As Rui said, send me an email to discusss further as i have tested/tuned nearly all turbochargers in the market since 2008
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Home of the Worlds quickest Porsches
1/4 mile: 7,95 @ 190 mph
100-200km/h: 2.16 sec
200-300km/h: 3.43 sec
60-130mph: 2.52 sec
100-150mph: 2.19 sec
Email: emre@esmotor.com.tr
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ESMOTOR
Home of the Worlds quickest Porsches
1/4 mile: 7,95 @ 190 mph
100-200km/h: 2.16 sec
200-300km/h: 3.43 sec
60-130mph: 2.52 sec
100-150mph: 2.19 sec
Email: emre@esmotor.com.tr
Web: http://www.esmotor.com.tr
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/esmotor
#97
i will send you email about that.
cheers
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ESMOTOR
Home of the Worlds quickest Porsches
1/4 mile: 7,95 @ 190 mph
100-200km/h: 2.16 sec
200-300km/h: 3.43 sec
60-130mph: 2.52 sec
100-150mph: 2.19 sec
Email: emre@esmotor.com.tr
Web: http://www.esmotor.com.tr
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/esmotor
ESMOTOR
Home of the Worlds quickest Porsches
1/4 mile: 7,95 @ 190 mph
100-200km/h: 2.16 sec
200-300km/h: 3.43 sec
60-130mph: 2.52 sec
100-150mph: 2.19 sec
Email: emre@esmotor.com.tr
Web: http://www.esmotor.com.tr
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/esmotor
#98
UPDATE: NEW RESULTS
100-200km/h in 2.80sec
60-130mph in 3.29sec
100-150mph in 3.11sec
Testing and tuning continues, hope to improve it further soon
100-200km/h in 2.80sec
60-130mph in 3.29sec
100-150mph in 3.11sec
Testing and tuning continues, hope to improve it further soon
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ESMOTOR
Home of the Worlds quickest Porsches
1/4 mile: 7,95 @ 190 mph
100-200km/h: 2.16 sec
200-300km/h: 3.43 sec
60-130mph: 2.52 sec
100-150mph: 2.19 sec
Email: emre@esmotor.com.tr
Web: http://www.esmotor.com.tr
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/esmotor
ESMOTOR
Home of the Worlds quickest Porsches
1/4 mile: 7,95 @ 190 mph
100-200km/h: 2.16 sec
200-300km/h: 3.43 sec
60-130mph: 2.52 sec
100-150mph: 2.19 sec
Email: emre@esmotor.com.tr
Web: http://www.esmotor.com.tr
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/esmotor
#101
I'll check facts about this interview when I get back home from St Petersburg. The original one, not in Florida...
#102
That's ridiculous Emre, Congrats! The record is almost yours. Very soon
#103
Yours is a STREET CAR, run with all interior, on street tires and go with pump gas.
I think if you go like race car, you brake all records!!
I'm proud to have yours kit on my car!!! and i hope to brake all records for 3.8 with your help.
Thanks for all my friend...