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Old 11-26-2012 | 07:35 PM
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Thank you Bob - I was hoping a smart and knowledgable person would chime in. I just didn't want the OP to think replacing hoses was his fix.
 
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Just had mine fixed by dealer, they pinned them all and do not need to drop the engine. So don't let them rape you for $3k.
 
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Just had mine fixed by dealer, they pinned them all and do not need to drop the engine. So don't let them rape you for $3k.
Was yours leaking at the time?

There seemed to be some controversy about pinning versus welding.

I know Alex at Sharkwerks has pinned many cars, and hasn't had a problem. I wasn't sure if pinning just prevents the pipe from popping out, or prevents the leak completely.
 
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Thank you Bob - I was hoping a smart and knowledgable person would chime in. I just didn't want the OP to think replacing hoses was his fix.
Your comment was spot on. Most independent shops that have dealt with the problem would never offer simply replacing the part. It probably doesn't need to be replaced. Again, photos would help, but cleaning off the adhesive and welding or reapplying adhesive + pinning ALL the pipes is the solution.
 
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Originally Posted by bbywu
Was yours leaking at the time?

There seemed to be some controversy about pinning versus welding.

I know Alex at Sharkwerks has pinned many cars, and hasn't had a problem. I wasn't sure if pinning just prevents the pipe from popping out, or prevents the leak completely.
Plus I thought you did have to drop the engine to access all the fittings??
 
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I believe there is a DIY on rennlist that shows pinning all the pipes from the engine bay.
 
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Old 11-26-2012 | 11:03 PM
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Observing before pulling engine, tech said a hose. He pointed hose to me. Once gets engine out, he will have better view. I will eemail these photos to him. If it is metal part, then warranty will cover it. Would save me $3K.
 
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Old 11-26-2012 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 512bb
It's a sad but true nature of the 911 beast. I know quite a few people who had issues such as this or, clutch and etc. and while the engine was out ended up doing about $8-15K worth of work just to save on the repeated cost of the engine take out.

An Achilles heel indeed my friend.
When you say other issues were attented to clutch, etc....what is the etc??
 
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Old 11-26-2012 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bbywu
I believe there is a DIY on rennlist that shows pinning all the pipes from the engine bay.
I have searched, perhaps you would have a 'best' key word to find this DIY# for us folks?? Providing such a DIY could be essential to these turbos with over 50K miles.
 
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Originally Posted by bbywu
Was yours leaking at the time?

There seemed to be some controversy about pinning versus welding.

I know Alex at Sharkwerks has pinned many cars, and hasn't had a problem. I wasn't sure if pinning just prevents the pipe from popping out, or prevents the leak completely.
Mine had completely blown out. So gushing vs leaking . They replaced the one piece with the faulty hose, and then pinned all the rest.
 
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Old 11-27-2012 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by johnww
When you say other issues were attented to clutch, etc....what is the etc??
- Changing the clutch and/or flywheel
- Welding hose fittings
- Changing spark plugs
- putting in master/slave clutch cylinders from a GT2
- Installing semi solid engine and transmission mounts
- Welding and bolting through roll-bar/cage

Basically any maintenance or upgrade items that require or are done easier with the engine removed.

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Old 11-27-2012 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by johnww
I have searched, perhaps you would have a 'best' key word to find this DIY# for us folks?? Providing such a DIY could be essential to these turbos with over 50K miles.
Here it is:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/679277-diy-coolant-fitting-fix-with-motor-in-the-car.html
 

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Old 11-27-2012 | 08:29 AM
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FYI - it has been a few months since I opened the thread, but someone actually DID have a hose failure.

 
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Old 11-27-2012 | 08:15 PM
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Mine 07 turbo had a hose failure too. 'Coolant line-hose for turbo return' blew. No warranty coverage because rubber hose. Can r/r hose without engine removal for $1200 or pull engine and do all hoses for $3030. This includes other turbo return, 3 other-coolant hoses, 3 connecting pieces and and hose supply to pump. However, seems like if this coolant hose blew, and was not located in a bad spot like against a hot engine, I thought most likely with 50K miles on clock, that other hoses may be ready to pop too. And with aggravation towing, down time etc and potential costly engine pull with any other hoses, thought best to go ahead and do all hoses with engine drop for $3030. An extra $1600 or so is money well spent.

I still feel Porsche has a "real problem" here running coolant-hoses deep in hot engines, impossible to r/r without engine pull. Surprising with all the water cooled Porsches in this country, this mess has not been made more obvious to the buying public. It was sure news to me. For sure my last Porsche. I understand factory warranty will not cover these blown water-hoses either. I think the fittings may be covered in some cases, but not so sure. Crap, I thought BMW M3s had odd engineering issues, but this hose-issue with Porsche in engineering carelessness makes BMW's problems look like child's play.

I can understand warranties not covering brake linings or fan belts, but hoses doesn't make sense. If this had been at night and I would not have noticed white smoke out the ***-end, could have overheated engine with big bucks for insurance to pay. I thought the $3000 for engine hidden hoses would be money better spent than $4000 to extend such a limited warranty for another 25Kmiles.
 

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