Only pdk on new 911 turbo
#18
03-22-2013, 07:35 AM
I get the impression that Porsche is heading in the direction of the GT-R. Porsche needs to realize they are reducing their prospective customer base, by not giving the buyers what they want. What is next, no cabriolet?
#20
03-22-2013, 08:36 AM
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Lol. You mean once you have no choice you have no choice.
This is what always happens i find. The paddles only keep you amused for so long before you realise you are kidding yourself....i.e. just trying to stay amused with the technology.....novelty wears off....back to auto.
This is what always happens i find. The paddles only keep you amused for so long before you realise you are kidding yourself....i.e. just trying to stay amused with the technology.....novelty wears off....back to auto.
#21
03-22-2013, 08:55 AM
I had always held Porsche above Ferrari and Lamborghini for offering their custmers a choice, and I have a hard time beleiving that production costs would be SOO much higher if needing to have parts for both options on the production line. It's something they already do today, so it should be pretty close to business as usual sourcing and building both optoins. Plus, prices of the 991 generation are already so much higher than 997, that I don't buy it being completely a cost decision.
(yes, in the Andreas Preuninger GT3 interview he mentioned quality standards deminishing with lower volume of parts, but how long has Porsche been producing manauls?...i doubt there are many quality issues at this stage...this is PORSCHE!)
I have limited seat time driving a PDK, but my initial impressions is it's only fun when driving at 9/10's or higher, and you want as little interuption in power as possible. While the manual can be fun at both 9/10's AND while just tooling around town. I personally enjoy taking the turbo out, windows down on a nice day, and casually rowning through the gears, feeling the connection to the mechanical nature of the car. An experience PDK won't offer. It's like the sports car industry (with all the 0-60 times, ring times / etc) markets only to driving at 9/10's in order to have fun.....do they not know we are mostly driving on public roads?
(yes, in the Andreas Preuninger GT3 interview he mentioned quality standards deminishing with lower volume of parts, but how long has Porsche been producing manauls?...i doubt there are many quality issues at this stage...this is PORSCHE!)
I have limited seat time driving a PDK, but my initial impressions is it's only fun when driving at 9/10's or higher, and you want as little interuption in power as possible. While the manual can be fun at both 9/10's AND while just tooling around town. I personally enjoy taking the turbo out, windows down on a nice day, and casually rowning through the gears, feeling the connection to the mechanical nature of the car. An experience PDK won't offer. It's like the sports car industry (with all the 0-60 times, ring times / etc) markets only to driving at 9/10's in order to have fun.....do they not know we are mostly driving on public roads?
#22
03-22-2013, 09:27 AM
Very disappointed indeed.
#24
03-22-2013, 10:35 AM
Nobody blames Ferrari?
They set the trends - the world follows.
I agree with the Viper and 'Vette, but I feel it is just a matter of time for them as well... A longer time, but time regardless.
I'll add - for those that want to row gears and have the experience - there is always the C2/C2S/C4/C4S (for now).
Those who want to go fast - there is the Turbo.
They set the trends - the world follows.
I agree with the Viper and 'Vette, but I feel it is just a matter of time for them as well... A longer time, but time regardless.
I'll add - for those that want to row gears and have the experience - there is always the C2/C2S/C4/C4S (for now).
Those who want to go fast - there is the Turbo.
#25
03-22-2013, 11:13 AM
While the base TT and GT3 will be offered in PDK, my gut tells me that they will offer a 6-speed (7-speed) manual as an option.
But for marketing purposes as they pertain to 0-60, 1/4 mile and ring times the PDK is the faster setup and has to be the standard base option to compete with the field of super cars. Unfortunately this is what the "market" demands, and the majority of people buy the sizzle and not the steak. I still want the steak please
But for marketing purposes as they pertain to 0-60, 1/4 mile and ring times the PDK is the faster setup and has to be the standard base option to compete with the field of super cars. Unfortunately this is what the "market" demands, and the majority of people buy the sizzle and not the steak. I still want the steak please
#26
03-22-2013, 11:23 AM
While the base TT and GT3 will be offered in PDK, my gut tells me that they will offer a 6-speed (7-speed) manual as an option.
But for marketing purposes as they pertain to 0-60, 1/4 mile and ring times the PDK is the faster setup and has to be the standard base option to compete with the field of super cars. Unfortunately this is what the "market" demands, and the majority of people buy the sizzle and not the steak. I still want the steak please
But for marketing purposes as they pertain to 0-60, 1/4 mile and ring times the PDK is the faster setup and has to be the standard base option to compete with the field of super cars. Unfortunately this is what the "market" demands, and the majority of people buy the sizzle and not the steak. I still want the steak please
#27
03-22-2013, 11:38 AM
The flip side of the argument is the following: if you pass up a 991 turbo because you want a 6-speed manual what are your alternatives in the super car world in the $150K-$200K range (new and used)? Not many
#28
03-22-2013, 11:57 AM
just my gut feeling. The 991 Turbo S may still only be offered in PDK due to the low volume, but I feel like for the mass market Turbo they'll come to their senses and offer the 6-speed (7-speed) manual to appease the US market. They sell enough turbos to justify offering it as an option, and "purists" will pay a premium of a couple thousand to get a manual. Funny how the manual may be the more costly option moving forward
The flip side of the argument is the following: if you pass up a 991 turbo because you want a 6-speed manual what are your alternatives in the super car world in the $150K-$200K range (new and used)? Not many
The flip side of the argument is the following: if you pass up a 991 turbo because you want a 6-speed manual what are your alternatives in the super car world in the $150K-$200K range (new and used)? Not many
#29
03-22-2013, 12:03 PM
just my gut feeling. The 991 Turbo S may still only be offered in PDK due to the low volume, but I feel like for the mass market Turbo they'll come to their senses and offer the 6-speed (7-speed) manual to appease the US market. They sell enough turbos to justify offering it as an option, and "purists" will pay a premium of a couple thousand to get a manual. Funny how the manual may be the more costly option moving forward
The flip side of the argument is the following: if you pass up a 991 turbo because you want a 6-speed manual what are your alternatives in the super car world in the $150K-$200K range (new and used)? Not many
The flip side of the argument is the following: if you pass up a 991 turbo because you want a 6-speed manual what are your alternatives in the super car world in the $150K-$200K range (new and used)? Not many
Another reason to take the Viper seriously...
#30
03-22-2013, 12:27 PM
I have limited seat time driving a PDK, but my initial impressions is it's only fun when driving at 9/10's or higher, and you want as little interuption in power as possible. While the manual can be fun at both 9/10's AND while just tooling around town. I personally enjoy taking the turbo out, windows down on a nice day, and casually rowning through the gears, feeling the connection to the mechanical nature of the car. An experience PDK won't offer. It's like the sports car industry (with all the 0-60 times, ring times / etc) markets only to driving at 9/10's in order to have fun.....do they not know we are mostly driving on public roads?