Only pdk on new 911 turbo
#46
I just cannot understand the fascination with paddles.
Sure they are faster. But who cares when you are talking about such miniscule amounts? I buy a sports car for the overall experience and to me a serious part of the enjoyment is lost with paddles.
Sure I like the paddles on the 458 in traffic.
Sure on the track, to be able to stand on the brakes and just hold the left paddle down while the car auto downshifts and blips is cool
BUT - it takes away from the overall interaction with the car and having it feel like an extension of your body.
No one will ever convince me otherwise.
Sure they are faster. But who cares when you are talking about such miniscule amounts? I buy a sports car for the overall experience and to me a serious part of the enjoyment is lost with paddles.
Sure I like the paddles on the 458 in traffic.
Sure on the track, to be able to stand on the brakes and just hold the left paddle down while the car auto downshifts and blips is cool
BUT - it takes away from the overall interaction with the car and having it feel like an extension of your body.
No one will ever convince me otherwise.
If done right, a paddle shift can be very engaging. 458 is a perfect example. i know many die hard stick shift guys that are very happy with it.
The only thing manuals have over paddles is the perceived control and emotional connection.
The exotic cars are all moving into deliverying different experiences based on driving modes chosen. Ferrari and Mclaren are great in delivering a race car experience with comfort using driving modes. I think Porsche is following the same path. The obvious goal here is a broader market segment.
Last edited by djantlive; 03-27-2013 at 02:16 PM.
#47
If I had to do it again, PDK for me. That manual 6 speed is nice but very dangerous, when shifting. I am thinking about installing the short shifter to prevent any shifting accidents. With the power these cars have now, imagine I missed shift on the new DFI engines.
#48
Take some DE classes and you should be ok.
#50
So I had my son out for a drive in my old BMW
He said dad...this car is so old fashioned. I asked why he thought so
He said well u have to keep moving that lever to make it go
I nearly drove off the road. The poor 6 year old boy got a half hour dissertation about why a manual is the proper choice
Damn. This new generation!
He said dad...this car is so old fashioned. I asked why he thought so
He said well u have to keep moving that lever to make it go
I nearly drove off the road. The poor 6 year old boy got a half hour dissertation about why a manual is the proper choice
Damn. This new generation!
#51
Don't bet on DE classes.......under pressure at high speed during panic situations, things can always go wrong manually shifting thru gears with no electronic-safe guards. This was the big driving force for development of pre-pdk like transmissions for track use because professional drivers with plenty of classes in racing were destroying very-expensive-engines (mis-shift to 2nd @ too high road speed->mechanical overrev) via high-speed panic situations that demanded slowdown/speedup shifts for turns and/or more acceleration.
Last edited by johnww; 03-27-2013 at 10:35 PM.
#52
tru dat!
#54
in what way does this have to do with talent?
i have had 5 manual cars, im under 35, and im looking at pdk only. promise you im much more "talented" in manual transmission that you are.
still want a pdk.
i have had 5 manual cars, im under 35, and im looking at pdk only. promise you im much more "talented" in manual transmission that you are.
still want a pdk.
#55
#57
Talent's the wrong word. These past race car drivers, blowing engines via mis-shifts, obviously had talent. Call it nerves of steel to focus calmly/correctly in a crisis mode. Keeps me wide awake in any fast/furious street driving, may even be a bit of a safety factor. Certainly not for the weak of heart, non-enthusiasts best stay with automatics, dual dry clutch or old fashion multi-wet oil clutches....not much difference required in driver ability between these two.
#60
Yeah but it will still have paddles behind the steering wheel for the rev match feature because Chevy can't be bothered to make two different wheels for the cars.