32krazy! Has some very good points. This was very popular in the STi world (forums). I considered it many times and every time I brought it up to my STi tuner who is also very conservative, he would always say it wasn't worth it.

Is 50whp/5wtq worth the risk of a catastrophic failure of your engine? No knock on your tuner as Champion is well respected, but hardware can fail, failsafes or not. Surprised they even consider it as they promote tuning management via the OEM ECU, because of any possible aftermarket hardware failures. At 850 whp/ 760wtq, your car already sounds pretty formidable. Best of luck with your decision.

 

Well said!

 

Definitely a consideration, I appreciate your insight. I have much faith in CMS and will more or less allow them to make the decision. If anything I may back off my aspiration to gain 50+ WHP, settle for 25 extra, and use the meth as an EXTRA protective measure.

Just to make things VERY clear, CMS did not suggest Meth but rather me. They are very conservative and I am 100% certain they will make the right call, I will follow suit, I have complete faith.

To be very honest, I am VERY happy with the car but darn it, gotta scratch that itch.

 

Totally understand. Champion will steer you the right way, and I too would have faith that if they don't think it's safe, they'll tell you no. That is the mark of a truly exceptional shop, and I know they'll follow suit with whatever they're willing to support.

That was one of the things I loved about Protomotive - I'm only running 21psi on the turbos and on e85 there's tons of room to push to 28+psi and make similar power to what you're making. But Todd flat told me no unless I want to build the engine. I respected that and told him to do whatever he felt. We both came out better for it in the end, and now I'll build the engine at some point to push further. Champion has a similar reputation, so you're in great hands!

 

What's your best 60-130mph?

 

Soon, have been plagued with significant medical issues since early-mid 2011. Feeling pretty well now and ready to run her hard. After I put the Meth thing to rest and following some practice, I will post the results. Given the quick spool and a (comfortable) redline of ~ 7400 RPM's it should be interesting.

 

Since you have a fully built motor I would suggest a proefi setup running e85 and run it like a bawwsss!!!

 

I havent been around for the proefi rollout, is it really that much better? Any clear cut examples?

Additionally, how available is e85? I have the 93 (tune) option resulting in very good numbers provided I dont run it VERY hard. This allows me to drive the car any distance at a reasonably high performance level.

 

+1 I'm running a 1K rwhp supra and I would never use meth....E85 is the way to go

 

talk to errol at tps if fl. he builds huge hp supras and race cars all on the proefi. its whats going into my 996 turbo. in fl e85 is all over the place. even if you run short with the flex fuel capabilities of the pro efi you simply fill with 93 and the 120 bit computer adjusts the files for gas and off you go . when you find e85 it adjusts yet again. I'm running a full an-8 fuel system with 1300 cc injectors and 2 fuel pumps. the oem dme controls the walbro in tank pump for under 5 psi applications and a magnafuel 625 lph controlled by the proefi runs when 5 psi is exceeded.
the internal data logger is an amazing function as well as launch control and rolling anti lag

 

Sounds interesting, I have never noticed e85 as I simply havent looked for it. Another plus is I currently use Nitto 555R's out back as I cannot otherwise hook up. Although they handle very well (given they are drag radials) if I could employ the boost control function I may be able to switch back to 19" R888's or similar rather than 18" 555R's.

How does the launch control compare to 997 GT2 OEM?

 

never seen the gt2 setup so i can't say. as for tires, instead of going back to 19's which won't help try a 305/35-18 which gives you more sidewall height . you can then lower the tire pressure to allow the the tire to hook on launches. i only drag at the strip not the street so i use a 305/35-18 or a 315/30-18 m/t drag radial which hook like crazy! I'm also rwd only

never had any luck with the nittos so it is ether hoosier or m/t for me and i switch back and forth depending on whats on sale when i burn thru a set

 

Do you use or plan on using the boost control feature? Maybe not given you are primarily concerned about track racing.

I like the Nittos as they are a really good street tire offering relatively good handling, acceptable hook up, and good price. If I start going to the track again I would definitely invest in wheels and tires. The problem with the tires is the darn computer, it throws codes and goes into limp mode if the ratio between front and rear is too far off.

 

I'm going to use every feature available to me! i have a few other neat things that will allow for a bigger launch without the fear of breaking axles or the trans. hopefully it all comes together mid march as my track opens march 1

if your going to run 1000 rwhp your going to find it hard to find anything that allows you to launch like say a lamb or gtr. weight transfer is way different. if your only going to street the car you may consider staying around 800 rwhp and making the car lighter.

bottom line no matter the power you want you have a first class shop behind you and i would follow their lead. cms has proven time and time again they know how to get the most out of a pcar!

 

Water/Meth injection is very popular in the BMW tuning world... the guys at undercover in NJ could advise you... I think they used water/meth and/or E85 on their SAAD 1100 whp BMW E46....

And there are several water/meth vendors with ramped up approaches and fail safes (as well as Aquamist)

I just bought a 997 Turbo (2009) and am going to do some mild tuning with a Cobb handheld and then will try water/meth on STOCK turbos with DP and exhaust.... aim will be 550 whp..... then will see about other more voracious ideas

In your case you may just like to look at E85 with a flex fuel option given that your engine is built with post OEM turbos.....