You have to flash in the different tunes, it isn't a flex fuel where it adjusts itself. Takes maybe 2 minutes....but you would have to empty the tank each time.

You could run all week on the 93 tune to work then Friday night fill up with e85 and flash the e85 tune

 

Yes, his switcher / interface is very easy to use.

 

Excellent! Way to take one for the team. Can't wait to see your numbers, should be good for 0.3-0.5s off a 60-130

 

To tell you the truth, I am hoping to match or even slightly beat my 996 Billet 16 number of 7.45sec. I might be to optimistic for asking for + 0.7 sec drop, but 4.5 psi increase in the Proto tune vs Upsolute netted me 0.5sec and with the race tune with more aggressive timing and another 4.5 psi it might do even better! I know that I am running out of turbo wheel (cfm) and intercoolers especially with those little stockers pumping the extra heat, but we will see what she does!

 

My testing for the VP109 was pretty eventful. First off during Fathers day I couldn’t really VBOX or test it out to much as I had both my children with me, but I knew I was making more power, as in a good bit more power, but the boost was a little erratic.

Later that night I went to my 60-130 location alone, slipped it into 3^rd gear, floored it around 40mph and ,”POP!”! The Y pipe came right off of the throttle body. I brought the car to work the next day and they fixed it. I was excited to see how much quicker she was going to be! Later that night, the first time I floored it, the RPM/s went right up…poor stock clutch couldn't handle the extra power. Thank goodness my ERP triple should be here today or tomorrow.


I am figuring that my y pipe was most likely leaking before then, based on my previous day experience. I was booting it the day before with no clutch issues and now after fixing the y pipe I am slipping. To get some sort of 60-130 time, I was able to set up the car in a low load 2^nd gear, 4-5K rpm roll, with a soft up shift (a little slip when I put it into third) and it held with the car feeling STRONG, as in wow I know that I am making a ton more power STRONG! It felt like when you flashed your stock Turbo, but now imagine that again on top of the original flash!

**AGAIN THESE ARE ALL CANNED PROTOMOTIVE TUNES WITHOUT DATALOGGING AND TUNING BACK AND FORTH!! SO THERE IS MORE TO BE HAD IN PUMP AND RACE FILE **

I went back to the place where I do my testing and tried some 60-130's with the same techniques I use to keep everything consistent, but to no avail. As soon as I floored it in 3^rd at 40mph the rpms climbed right up and I had to lift and hit again, slipped in forth a bit and I still recorded 7.54sec! I tried a higher speed of 50mph in 2^nd and it held and shifted into 3^rd (slight slip before catch) and even with all that babying it did 7.23sec!! With a clutch to hold the power, this set up has a 6.9 or better for 100%!! I know that when I use to use 2^nd in my 996 for 60-130 my times would usually go up 0.2-0.3 sec, also with the clutch not grabbing when I upshift and with me shifting a little more gentle (babying it so it does not slip) sub 6.9 is not out of the question!!!


I am very impressed with basically a stock car the way it is performing with the stock snails and intercooler, pluming etc. I keep telling myself I have not even started really modding the car, I am just documenting my set up until my parts finally start arriving & it is performing very well! The 997 response so well to mods and seams very efficient in making power and putting it down!


I am confident that the stock turbos on 94 pump, spraying %100 meth injection this car can match or even do better then 6.9’s with the cooling effect of the meth and should equal the same octane as the VP109! With rewheeled VTG’s it is going to be interesting on pump (I think 6.8's pump & 6.2's meth) and with E85 I am hoping for sub 6!

So my stock turbo 997 on VP109 is quicker then my previous 7.45 on my Billet 16 996 on pump. I can't see myself running race gas these numbers do not mean that much to me other then to know the stock turbo and components can flow enough for this type of power. I think if I was keeping the stock sized VTG’s I could match the 7.45 number with the same mods that I did on my 996. By adding cat-less exhaust, LWFW and tuning back and forth with Todd I think I can match the performance from my upgraded K16’s., pump vs pump.




**.92 sec quicker with the Protomotive MS109 tune (WITH A SLIPPING CLUTCH AND BABIED DRIVIN) vs Protomotive pump tune **


Protomotive canned tune (we didn't go back and forth data logging etc) at 1.4 -1.5 BAR (STOCK GAUGE ONLY GOES UP TO 1.2 SO I couldn't validate and didn't feel like pulling out my Durametrics that night)


= 7.23 (2nd gear started at 50mph, slow shift to 3rd, clutch slipped going into 3rd for about 1000rpms) avg temperature 17c



The 997 seams to handle the power effortlessly compared to the 996 and I am confident that most of that credit has to do with the 997's AWD system.


I will keep you guys posted as more mods come in. My cat-less Speedtech would be in by the end of the month.

 

Congrats very good results on stock exhaust and slipping clutch!

 

Thank you, but the car has a 200cell catted 2.25" Fabspeed "straight pipes".


I am thinking with the SpeedTech Race X pipe being 3" vs 2.25 (for the Fabspeed straight pipes) and catless vs catted (200cell as well), I think I might pick up some power from them.


Thanks


Bobby Ali


ba

 

Sorry I was reading too fast

Looking forward to see results with the new clutch and new exhaust, great times so far out of the stock turbos

 

Wow, that is really impressive!!!! I would never have thought to start in 2nd gear. Your time is what I get with upgraded vtgs on pumpgas (94 octane). These are ttdude's old turbos and he got 6.9 on racegas. These don't have the extruded hotside, and I believe there is a newer 63 wheel available, maybe hta?


In the spring when it was cold my clutch would slip a little with just the pump tune so I'm not surprised racegas made your stock clutch slip.

 

We really need to meet up sometime soon my friend!


Again, being I do not plan on running the VP109 (I just used it to see the potential of the stock components & I know there is a lot left in it.), I feel it does not really represent MY car and am more interested in what I can do with pump and E85 as those are the fuels I will be running.


It is hard to compare numbers as there is too many variables. We can run with my race file and you might end up dragging me on your pump with your upgraded VTG's.


This is why I ONLY use these numbers to compare with MY OWN set up and to have a consistent delta to measure improvements on MY OWN car.


Because on the streets this does not matter too much, as my 996 was a testament of taking other cars by many car lengths down that "should of" drug me and got better 60-130 times then me.


This I know for sure that my 996 set up on pump was faster then my stock vtg set up by 0.7sec. Why do I know that? Because all MY variables are consistent. Road, shifting, start point (gear and speed) and even temp was all within a couple degrees. So I can safely say that my 996 would of walked my 997 on pump by 4-6 cars being 0.7sec quicker and on VP109 file my 997 without a slipping clutch(assuming 6.9) would walk my 996 on pump by 3-4 cars. I almost know that BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS CONSISTANT WITH MY OWN TESTING.


We should meet up sometime and do some pulls, even though I said I would not be buying VP109 again, just to see where they stand.


We can also test your cars 60-130 under the same test conditions as mine, but I feel the 1st suggestions would be a little more fun!




Thanks


Bobby Ali


ba

 

QUOTE: " I would never have thought to start in 2nd gear."


I just did that so I don't slip in 3rd gear with the higher load. All my best times were always with 3rd & 4th gear pulls. I always lost about 0.2-0.3sec using second, again it was just used so I can at least get a number with out the clutch completely slipping, hence why I know this car by that fact alone has a 6.9 in it.

 

the problem that most forget is most pump e85 at the filling station isn't e85 but a lower grade. you are then running a higher timing tune on low grade e85. not a good combo

 

I wish we had E85 at the pumps as I would just tune a little more conservative for the convenience of a true pump fuel like E85!!

For now I am going to be ordering drums of VP C85 (C=consistant blend)

 

We should definitely meet up...before my new snails arrive.