To be honest so do I, however not very easy in my country anymore...
Those who do know me (personally I mean - if you have any friends in Greece that are into cars they should have heard of me) know that I was always there accepting each challenge for many many nights many years... with even greater results than the vbox numbers would suggest... It is one thing to simply do a 60-130mph run and a whole different thing to start a race from 0 to 300km/h or even a roll race where the driver plays KEY role!!!
Believe me my friend I enjoy that MUCH more and I am WAY better at it than vboxing, however there are fewer and fewer cars in Greece each year to compete with...

Thanks for your kind words by the way

 

i remember seeing 1.5Gs in his 6.05 second run, which would take a ton more power than what he makes/claims. thats just the way things go. i have been in cars doing 60-130 in 3.x seconds and I have done very low 4s 60-130 in my previous car.

sorry to be the bad guy here but there is no magical air or magical cars or magical tunes

 

While I do appreciate all the comments and feedback I'd like to point out that when looking at longitudinal acceleration graphs you must consider gearing differences from one car to another. For instance, a car doing a run in 3rd gear vs. 2nd gear will have a very different longitudinal acceleration graph due to what is called torque multiplication or in other words power from the motor getting translated through the gearing down to the ground. Spikes in acceleration to over 1g are just that, spikes. They can happen for various reasons, road surface, clutch slippage, etc. The way to look at an acceleration graph is to do a calculation on the running average over a time period (i.e. mean value) and look past the spikes at the onset of WOT. I'm not positive but I believe Costas started his runs in 2nd gear and was using brake boosting which will affect acceleration graphs and can introduce spikes at the onset.

Lastly, I'm thousands of miles away from Costas and knowing these cars are fuel limited to suggest he ran nitrous for instance for these numbers from a tuning point of view would not make sense on a 997.2 turbo given where ignition timing, boost, fuel, etc are sitting in the maps we provided. He would very likely incur a severe pressure drop but even if we assume he had enough fuel to support a very large shot of nitrous (e.g. used a wet shot for instance lol) his motor would most definitely detonate as ignition timing and boost levels would be overly aggressive for running a large shot on this car.

 

Not sure if everybody knows but, when a Greek says pump fuel, it's 100RON

 

You are not the bad guy my friend for sure... I know you mean no harm and this is why forums exist: to analyse and discuss! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and ofcourse everyone is free to make their own choice...
Now as far as the first 6.05 run is concerned there was indeed an abnormal spike (which I THOROUGHLY AND IN DEPTH discussed with my good and very experienced friend Longboarder), which IMHO was caused by a very abrupt and sudden unitentional auto downshift in 2nd gear and then again upshift in 3rd in a very brief time! Or someting else happened that I can not account for... BUT even if that time seemed off to most I have undeniable proof that this 5.9 is legit as most 997tt I have owned that were around 600WHP (even tiptronic) during same runs usually pulled 0.8-0.9g's like this 5.9 run!!! (I started this run in 3rd gear)

For sake of good order I attach below 2 runs with this car about a month ago with Stage 1 OTS (with cold temps outside) and Stage 2 OTS (with around 20C outside) both done with 2 days difference: (I started these runs in 2nd gear - same gas - same spot)


You see there must something in the air here in Greece after all huh...
hilar ious

 

Dynos are a different animal completely but I really doubt this car even makes 600awhp on pump gas with tune and exhaust.....

 

There's simply no room fueling capacity wise for nitrous on a 997.2 turbo given what our map is running. He mentioned that the 6.05 run he actually started in 3rd, tranny then dropped him into 2nd and then quickly upshfited back to 3rd. This would make more sense given the acceleration graph/spikes provided by Costas here.

One thing about the vbox to keep in mind is that the accelerometer readings taken in a given instant (i.e. not a running average value but acceleration at time X for instance) can be questionable and doesn't need to reflect the vehicle's actual acceleration. In fact if you consider the way the device is mounted/installed inside the car and how quickly it can move in direction especially at the onset of WOT and especially if something like brake boosting, tranny shifting back/forth through gears, traction loss/re-gain, and shorter gears are used at start you can imagine how that could cause what is shown for the first roughly 0.8-0.9secs seconds of the run.

Costas is a customer of ours and we can only go by what we've sent to him tuning wise and what he's provided through datalogs in return. If he's got a hypercar, spoofing the vbox somehow with special sauce equipment, getting rear ended by another car catapulting him to those longitudinal acceleration spikes we have no way of proving or disproving unfortunately and these numbers are really just posted for fun. In fact all those things mentioned are higher likelihood than him stacking nitrous on this particular car. Classifying it as a "World record" in itself is funny and we always chuckle a little writing it that way as there's no official body regulating such competition so the only purpose it really can serve is be a fun fact out there.

We hope that this thread can/will take a turn with a more positive note from here on forward. As a tuning company that provides services to local as well as remote customers we have no means of being present with all the customers we tune. We can only go simply by what we provided tuning wise and what the customer has communicated back to us through datalogs and vbox runs such as this. Our only goal is to provide our customers with the best customer service we can possibly offer and build as consistent, reliable custom tuning for the mods and octane on the car. Simple

 

Damn... you got me...
I have the same bottle for 8 years now and have been installing it in every new car I get and noone was clever enough to get it... but now I am busted!!

Clearly too much time in your hands huh...
well in my opinion you should use that time to try and make your car run like this instead of trying to discredit others down to your level... just a friendly advice! Even though whatever you just worte sounds Greek to me you surely can not really suggest that I can use 1000HP worth of Nitrous shot in a 997.2tt car for ANY amount of time running a tune that is NOT nitrous specific and on stock plugs nevertheless... .hila rious
Because if you do really believe such a thing then you are reaaally clueless and there is no point in discussing anything more here, right???

Now I can see longboarders run around the 0.8-0.9G mark which is on par with both my 5.9 run 9at 85mph) AND most importnatly with my OTS1 and OTS 2 runs that I attached here!!!! No clever comment there???
Giac 9 sec file, IPD plenum, race gas mix and 22-24 psi of boost on one hand and a single OTS1 Cobb and an exhaust with pump gas and 18.5 psi gets similar time???
Nothing on that? Or did I again use my hidden bottle here as well for a fraction of a second (0.1) humanly impossible to even press the button to get these time as well???

Did I or did I not tell you Dzenno how this would go down???
The earth is flat and I must be burned in the fire as a wizzard I guess...

I am out... You can continue debating without me on this one pls.
Have a good night everyone

 

"Join Date: Aug 2014"


Reaaaallyyyyy???? Do you even know what 60-130mph is?
Have you checked each time in the list one by one since you joined so late?
Are you dreaming of nitrous bottles at night??? I double dare you to use it on your car (even though your motor is stronger than mine) like you described and if you do not blow the car and yourself to the moon I will buy you a brand new 997.2tt to try there as well!

Come on man... you are a trader and all... supposed to be serious...
Except if you are the Wolf of Wall Street guy... Leo is that really you???

Only kidding man... No pun intended honestly... Whatever gets you going... if it is nitrous then ok... nitrous... I have the world first again in using nitrous in a 997.2tt platform! Damn good car I might add... it can take nitrous even on stock file....
+1000 for Porshce engineers

 

Jokes aside I decided to text my friend Efi who just ran 9s in his 997.2 and pick his brain.

His car had everything done and was maxed on fuel using full champion bolt ons, 68mm champion VTGs and methanol. This car was also using sticky tires and lightweight wheels.

During these three 9 second runs it ran 6.1 60-130 and he has seen some 5.7s on dedicated runs and a 5.6

No magic like Greek magic.

 

You guys don't know who madsex343 is... He has been in the game for a long time, he's a 60-130 pro

This time is not that amazing as the time he posted with a cargraphic setup... A stock engine with VTG's doing 4.84s

 

5.6 is a looong way from 5.9 and 6!!!
I do not think my car can do less as we are at the limit of what stock fuel pumps can run!!! In fact I can not understand how a much bigger turbo like 68mm can actually work in the 997.2 so efficiently without getting more fuel somehow to the engine! When you say methanol I assume Aquamist and not methanol as fuel right? It is not a secret that 68mm even in 997.1 needed upgraded fuel pumps and/or injectors and ofcourse even some engine work like rods to shine and that at similar boost levels like oem VTGs there is "liitle" to be gained... so yes to pick up the glove and answer to you your friends car pulling 6.1 on a 1/4 mile run (I am certain I will not do better than 6.5 in such a run - maybe even more) and 5.6 on a dedicated 60-130mph makes it for sure THE 997.2 of the year!!
No joke here - tell him congrats and kudos to everyone that contributed in achieving the end result!

 

I think you have 104 RON at pump stations no?
Well our best pump gas here may be around 104 RON (marked and sold as 100RON but is pretty good) and that is it!
I do not go to 1/4 miles as we do not have tracks here - only airport fields that from time time get turned into dragstrips but for racing only... so not really easy to participate there...
I really do not get what the fuss is all about here...
We (me and many other cars here) ran 6.3-6.5 steady with ECU and exhaust on a 997.1tt, why is all of a sudden a 6sec time with a PDK car the 8th wonder of the world???
Here is a file I quickly have handy here of the car running 6.7 100-200km/h COMPLETELY STOCK IN ABOUT 30C!!! Even though it was a slight downhill and results are invalid you can get the picture of how quick it is even in stock form!!! And yes it was pulling 0.65g STOCK!!! (for you G guys... )

 

You are dead on again on one thing for sure... I am indeed a stupid man for trying to reason with you and for replying to you over and over again...
Thanks for the namecalling and esp to someone you know nothing about!

Take care -
(Obviously I will never direct you again and ofcourse I will not "fight" you like this in a public forum over nothing for God's sake...)

 

yes and his car is regularly a 5.7 to 5.9 car. we are talking about one of the fastest proven 997.2s out there that has every mod and is fine tuned. He spent 3 years chasing 9s in that car and saw a progression in times vs mods he did.

He flat out out said your time is impossible and I agree with him 100%.

I'm not willing to go out on a limb and suggest a way you are doing this but I have my thoughts.

This is just like when you ran 6.17 in your M3 and another person using same SC kit with 150lb weight reduction and 100 shot of nitrous ran 6.23. The two of you were by far ahead overyone else who was stuck in the mid 7s.

I have been here for 5+ yrs and followed that 60-130 thread for that long and I have seen all sorts of times posted for different cars and different mods ranging from 500hp to 2000hp etc etc. Plain and simple the math doesnt add up. PDK is great and its fast but its not black magic.

I bet PTF can put that same tune in a different 997.2 and use same exhaust and he will not touch this unicorn time