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Old 10-08-2016 | 12:46 PM
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Question Need new tires....do I need an alignment?

Took off the summer wheels and put the snow tires on so I can keep my 09MT as my daily driver.

Had a four wheel alignment when new shocks put in last fall. Here are the Michelin PSS with three summers of wear. Probably about 20,000 km. I know that the rears take a beating....was down to cords on the last set.

Is this wear unreasonable on the inside edge of back tires? I am wondering about the alignment being off.

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It's most definitely off. Besides the inside that is down to the core (very dangerous) the tires are worn out very unevenly left or right. You need to find a shop or dealer that knows how to align these cars and a good alignment will run you a few hundred but well worth it. Don't cheap out on that as when the car is aligned correctly driving it is like an day.
 
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I would certainly get an alignment if you have not had one. As you go down the road and hit bumps etc...They all get out over time. I will offer that the wear pattern there is pretty normal for these cars as they do have a camber set up for traction, and tends to eat the inside edge rear first. Have to watch that, as the tires in the photo could have exploded at any time with the belts showing like that.

Agree, you should find a good shop and not skimp with someone who does not have proper skills etc.

Good luck.
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Thanks guys for the input. 4-wheel alignment done about a year ago by the dealership here when they replaced shocks and water pump.

About 15000 miles (5k winter, 10k summer) since then. Is that quick to lose alignment?
 
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Thanks guys for the input. 4-wheel alignment done about a year ago by the dealership here when they replaced shocks and water pump.

About 15000 miles (5k winter, 10k summer) since then. Is that quick to lose alignment?
As I mentioned, this is normal wear pattern based on OEM alignment specs. But yes, after 15K, I would at least have the alignment checked.

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now I guess time to search the board for recommendations on which tire$ next....
 
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Alignment every year or at least every other year is not a bad idea. If you have a stiff suspension and do spirited driving, things will get knocked out of shape here and there.

A lot more wear on the inside of the rears is not abnormal, but having one side wear considerably more than the other is - definitely get a good alignment.
 
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As the Rock said, this is normal wear. I’d suggest you adopt a policy of an alignment every tire change. These cars can get out of spec very easily.
 
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Pretzel, Did you replace the springs at the same time as your "Shocks?"
 
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just rear shocks....leaking pretty badly at that time. 4wheel alignment done afterwards, and then a regular year of driving: city, highway and a couple of roadtrips to hit some "interesting" roads in BC.



drsullivan I am assuming that you mean tires....I switch wheels twice a year. Need snow tires around here for around six months
 
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thx DC
now I guess time to search the board for recommendations on which tire$ next....
Ok, well here is my honest opinion. I just had to replace my tires after my Michelin Pilot Sports wore similar to yours, the belts were exposed and the tires were just damaged overall. They were definitely vibrating and bumpy but were overdue for a replacement.

After EXTENSIVE research between 6speed/rennlist and independent reviews from friends, I decided to try the Hankook V12 Evo 2. All I can say is given the performance, they may well be the best bang for buck out there. I paid $890 for my tires mounted/balanced/installed. The first 50 - 75 miles are necessary for break in but after that they're absolutely amazing. IMHO they ride great, have minimal road noise and after tossing the car into some corners, I concluded they handle exceptional. I'll give them a 9 out of 10 rating. My brother runs them on his 650 HP ESS VT650 M3 as well and for such a powerful RWD car, it grips wonderfully.

Let me be serious. There is nothing like a Michelin Pilot Super Sport/Sport/Sport Cup. When heated up, they're like glue. I don't know how hard you drive your car or if you track it. If so, maybe you can justify the Michelins. But if you don't and you consider yourself an enthusiastic driver that just drives hard and has fun, the Hankooks are bar none the best value. A set of comparable Michelins will be $1600-1800 and they actually wear quicker from what I've read. My rationale is if I'm basically getting 85-90% of the performance for almost half the price, I'll go with the better value. After the first 100 miles, I put rubbed the tire with my fingers and I could tell they were definitely every bit a performance tire based on the compound.

Now if $$$ wasn't an object I'd go the Michelin's but in my case I'd prefer to use that extra $$$ on other maintenance items for the car to keep her running tip-top. I sure hope this helps.
 
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Sometimes pictures are all a person really needs to be convinced. Seeing really is believing. Hope this helps.
 
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Ok, well here is my honest opinion. I just had to replace my tires after my Michelin Pilot Sports wore similar to yours, the belts were exposed and the tires were just damaged overall. They were definitely vibrating and bumpy but were overdue for a replacement.

After EXTENSIVE research between 6speed/rennlist and independent reviews from friends, I decided to try the Hankook V12 Evo 2. All I can say is given the performance, they may well be the best bang for buck out there. I paid $890 for my tires mounted/balanced/installed. The first 50 - 75 miles are necessary for break in but after that they're absolutely amazing. IMHO they ride great, have minimal road noise and after tossing the car into some corners, I concluded they handle exceptional. I'll give them a 9 out of 10 rating. My brother runs them on his 650 HP ESS VT650 M3 as well and for such a powerful RWD car, it grips wonderfully.
I use Hankook v12s on my Audi RS4 and think they are a great, budget-friendly performance tire. I am not sure they meet all the necessary specs for the 997TT so you might want to double check on that (if those things matter to you).

They do not grip like the PS2/PSS but are much more available and fairly priced (although they used to be considerably cheaper!). One thing to note about these tires it that their shoulders tend to run a bit thin...I run 255s on my Audi and these are slightly, but noticeably "thinner" than PS2s.
 
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thx NY6Speeder and TypeRx. Will be doing my research over the next few months.....will be likely April before putting the summer wheels/tires back on. Availability and price up across the border a little different, but had great experience with Hankook in the wayback years with a Mark 2 GTI.
 
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Originally Posted by NY6SPEEDER
Ok, well here is my honest opinion. I just had to replace my tires after my Michelin Pilot Sports wore similar to yours, the belts were exposed and the tires were just damaged overall. They were definitely vibrating and bumpy but were overdue for a replacement.

After EXTENSIVE research between 6speed/rennlist and independent reviews from friends, I decided to try the Hankook V12 Evo 2. All I can say is given the performance, they may well be the best bang for buck out there. I paid $890 for my tires mounted/balanced/installed. The first 50 - 75 miles are necessary for break in but after that they're absolutely amazing. IMHO they ride great, have minimal road noise and after tossing the car into some corners, I concluded they handle exceptional. I'll give them a 9 out of 10 rating. My brother runs them on his 650 HP ESS VT650 M3 as well and for such a powerful RWD car, it grips wonderfully.

Let me be serious. There is nothing like a Michelin Pilot Super Sport/Sport/Sport Cup. When heated up, they're like glue. I don't know how hard you drive your car or if you track it. If so, maybe you can justify the Michelins. But if you don't and you consider yourself an enthusiastic driver that just drives hard and has fun, the Hankooks are bar none the best value. A set of comparable Michelins will be $1600-1800 and they actually wear quicker from what I've read. My rationale is if I'm basically getting 85-90% of the performance for almost half the price, I'll go with the better value. After the first 100 miles, I put rubbed the tire with my fingers and I could tell they were definitely every bit a performance tire based on the compound.

Now if $$$ wasn't an object I'd go the Michelin's but in my case I'd prefer to use that extra $$$ on other maintenance items for the car to keep her running tip-top. I sure hope this helps.
Very interesting opinion.

I am on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. I tried them out a couple of years ago in my TT and they were the worst tire I could ever imagine FOR THAT CAR. The tire wall is simply too soft and it flexes too much, especially in the rear of the car.

Keep in mind that I run them on my C63 and they do great on that car - you can definitely tell the tire wall is forgiving, in comparison to Potenza's and even to R888s...and obviously Michelins, but they do quite alright and I don't have any complaints.

I know I am not the exception because when I contacted DTD and explain the situation, they said they had gotten similar feedback and simply asked them to return the tires. They even paid for the freight back and gave me a credit towards a remounting service. I was extremely impressed with their customer service.

I would never run the evo's in my 911...ever again.
 


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