Put your bets up. C6 Z06 vs. 997 TT!!
#166
Originally Posted by nberry
First I was shocked that the Z06 beat the 997TT at higher speeds. One test had the 997TT beating the Z06 from 80-120 by over 5 sec. When I read what happened in a actual race, I reread the test. What I found was both cars were required to be in 6th gear. Thus gearing was critical in the outcome. Shouldn't 997TT owners be aware of this?
If you read my posts, you know I am not a fan of Porsche the company but believe they make a good car. I will spare you my reasons for not liking Porsche. But here is a hint; whenever you are buying a new Porsche hold on to your wallet.
The last thing anyone would want to do is engage in selective posting for any chat site. To do so is to make it a sycophant site which stimulates no one other than Porsche owner's into self delusion. If that is what this site is to be, it is only fair for the moderator's to so indicate. I will comply.
If you read my posts, you know I am not a fan of Porsche the company but believe they make a good car. I will spare you my reasons for not liking Porsche. But here is a hint; whenever you are buying a new Porsche hold on to your wallet.
The last thing anyone would want to do is engage in selective posting for any chat site. To do so is to make it a sycophant site which stimulates no one other than Porsche owner's into self delusion. If that is what this site is to be, it is only fair for the moderator's to so indicate. I will comply.
With respect to the money thing you so cleverly refer to above. Back in the late 60's, Eric Burden and the Animals wrote a song containing the following lyric:
"Its my life and I'll do what I want.."
I know from many of your posts how proud you are with your Ferrari investments and I think that is admirable. But I am not here to judge how you or anyone else on the forums choose to spend their dough. So I'll buy the car of my choice and decide how I'll "hold my wallet". When you step up to the plate and offer to pay my bills, then you can tell me how to hold my wallet.
Nick, I like "self delusion" with respect to the 997TT. In fact, I love it. That's the exact reason I am on the 997TT forum, it's all about self delusion and hanging around all the rest of the owners who are self delusional. Life is good, let's enjoy our respective cars in peace.
#167
Originally Posted by turbodog
I think owners of any car should be aware of lots of things. It just seems alot of people like "crashing the party" on some of these forums. For me, I don't jump on the Z06 forum and discuss the virtues of the 997TT - that's their house and I respect them for what they like to drive and enjoy. I prefer to converse with the 997TT owners in the 997TT forums. But that's just me.
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Last edited by ZLP; 07-04-2006 at 08:55 PM.
#168
Originally Posted by turbodog
I think owners of any car should be aware of lots of things. It just seems alot of people like "crashing the party" on some of these forums. For me, I don't jump on the Z06 forum and discuss the virtues of the 997TT - that's their house and I respect them for what they like to drive and enjoy. I prefer to converse with the 997TT owners in the 997TT forums. But that's just me.
With respect to the money thing you so cleverly refer to above. Back in the late 60's, Eric Burden and the Animals wrote a song containing the following lyric:
"Its my life and I'll do what I want.."
I know from many of your posts how proud you are with your Ferrari investments and I think that is admirable. But I am not here to judge how you or anyone else on the forums choose to spend their dough. So I'll buy the car of my choice and decide how I'll "hold my wallet". When you step up to the plate and offer to pay my bills, then you can tell me how to hold my wallet.
Nick, I like "self delusion" with respect to the 997TT. In fact, I love it. That's the exact reason I am on the 997TT forum, it's all about self delusion and hanging around all the rest of the owners who are self delusional. Life is good, let's enjoy our respective cars in peace.
With respect to the money thing you so cleverly refer to above. Back in the late 60's, Eric Burden and the Animals wrote a song containing the following lyric:
"Its my life and I'll do what I want.."
I know from many of your posts how proud you are with your Ferrari investments and I think that is admirable. But I am not here to judge how you or anyone else on the forums choose to spend their dough. So I'll buy the car of my choice and decide how I'll "hold my wallet". When you step up to the plate and offer to pay my bills, then you can tell me how to hold my wallet.
Nick, I like "self delusion" with respect to the 997TT. In fact, I love it. That's the exact reason I am on the 997TT forum, it's all about self delusion and hanging around all the rest of the owners who are self delusional. Life is good, let's enjoy our respective cars in peace.
Bottom line, he's a good guy and some of you guys antagonized scvet to the point where he defended his car and said what he did about the 997TT. Both are awesome, let's stop the BS, its really stupid.
#169
ZLP, I was trying to be kind. I tried to give the guy the benefit of the doubt by stating that his challenge was all about the drag race and nothing else. But emotions give way, and the bantering starts, then the original intent of the poster turns to a blur and 150+ posts later, the conclusion is that the guy is nothing more than a troll.
How sad.
How sad.
#170
The truth is many of us like domestic cars(me included) and respect them. We chose to buy Porsches for various reasons just like domestic owners buy their cars for their own reasons. It is only when someone with a domestic car comes on to a Porsche specific forum to post about a car with most of us know is already faster to basically gloat. Lets call it for what it is, SCVET would not be here if he thought the 997TT was faster than his car.
#171
Originally Posted by turbodog
Okay, so it wasn't the most diplomatic way of telling ole SCvette to take a hike, but your comments put a smile on my face, thank you.
As far as the race goes, let your friend brake it in and then race. Better yet, i wont be buying a 997 TT but know that me driving one could take that race, easily. I hate to brag and im not trying to but Im quite a good driver and can safely say the outcome would have been different had I been driving the car and had it been broken in. I mean the 997S ran faster after it was broken in as Porsche have been known for and all the tests out have put the 997 TT ahead of all its competitors. Take a look, this is from autocar
0-30 0-60 0-100 100-0 total time
1.64 4.12 8.82 4.2 13.65 o6 model gallardo
2.26 4.76 9.88 4.54 14.95 bmw m6
1.97 4.29 8.66 4.42 13.80 z06 corvette
1.3 3.6 8.00 4.25 12.5 porsche 997 turbo
1.4 2.8 5.5 3.4 9.9 bugatti veyron
1.61 3.3 5.6 5.1 10.7 suzuki gsx-r1000
I am only going to post this one test, but as you probably all know, this and other are here on the 997 TT section. Not only is the 997TT beating out the z06, by a good amount too. the only ones that can outdo it are the beast 1001 hp bugatti and the gsx. it beats out all the others. I drive a Porsche so I stick to the Porsche forums, I dont go everywhere else trying to stir the pot if you will (hint hint).
#172
Originally Posted by nberry
First I was shocked that the Z06 beat the 997TT at higher speeds. One test had the 997TT beating the Z06 from 80-120 by over 5 sec. When I read what happened in a actual race, I reread the test. What I found was both cars were required to be in 6th gear. Thus gearing was critical in the outcome. Shouldn't 997TT owners be aware of this?
If you read my posts, you know I am not a fan of Porsche the company but believe they make a good car. I will spare you my reasons for not liking Porsche. But here is a hint; whenever you are buying a new Porsche hold on to your wallet.
The last thing anyone would want to do is engage in selective posting for any chat site. To do so is to make it a sycophant site which stimulates no one other than Porsche owner's into self delusion. If that is what this site is to be, it is only fair for the moderator's to so indicate. I will comply.
If you read my posts, you know I am not a fan of Porsche the company but believe they make a good car. I will spare you my reasons for not liking Porsche. But here is a hint; whenever you are buying a new Porsche hold on to your wallet.
The last thing anyone would want to do is engage in selective posting for any chat site. To do so is to make it a sycophant site which stimulates no one other than Porsche owner's into self delusion. If that is what this site is to be, it is only fair for the moderator's to so indicate. I will comply.
#173
Originally Posted by turbodog
I think owners of any car should be aware of lots of things. It just seems alot of people like "crashing the party" on some of these forums. For me, I don't jump on the Z06 forum and discuss the virtues of the 997TT - that's their house and I respect them for what they like to drive and enjoy. I prefer to converse with the 997TT owners in the 997TT forums. But that's just me.
With respect to the money thing you so cleverly refer to above. Back in the late 60's, Eric Burden and the Animals wrote a song containing the following lyric:
"Its my life and I'll do what I want.."
I know from many of your posts how proud you are with your Ferrari investments and I think that is admirable. But I am not here to judge how you or anyone else on the forums choose to spend their dough. So I'll buy the car of my choice and decide how I'll "hold my wallet". When you step up to the plate and offer to pay my bills, then you can tell me how to hold my wallet.
Nick, I like "self delusion" with respect to the 997TT. In fact, I love it. That's the exact reason I am on the 997TT forum, it's all about self delusion and hanging around all the rest of the owners who are self delusional. Life is good, let's enjoy our respective cars in peace.
With respect to the money thing you so cleverly refer to above. Back in the late 60's, Eric Burden and the Animals wrote a song containing the following lyric:
"Its my life and I'll do what I want.."
I know from many of your posts how proud you are with your Ferrari investments and I think that is admirable. But I am not here to judge how you or anyone else on the forums choose to spend their dough. So I'll buy the car of my choice and decide how I'll "hold my wallet". When you step up to the plate and offer to pay my bills, then you can tell me how to hold my wallet.
Nick, I like "self delusion" with respect to the 997TT. In fact, I love it. That's the exact reason I am on the 997TT forum, it's all about self delusion and hanging around all the rest of the owners who are self delusional. Life is good, let's enjoy our respective cars in peace.
#174
I think the 997 TT will take it.... in overboost mode it's over 500 HP and 500 lb/ft of torque... the Z06 doesn't make nearly as much torque... and by the way I do think the HP of the 997TT is *underrated*.....
#175
Originally Posted by ZLP
SCVET would not be here if he thought the 997TT was faster than his car.
I came here solely to announce a race and get some opinions from other car enthusiasts. I ONLY started to act and say what I said AFTER people started going off on a tangent and bashing the Z06 becuase of its brand. Sure, I thought the Z06 was going to win even before the race, but what does my thinking of the outcome have to do with people acting the way they did??? Please, go reread the thread and you tell me who started bashing first!!!
#176
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
Take a look, this is from autocar
0-30 0-60 0-100 100-0 total time
1.64 4.12 8.82 4.2 13.65 o6 model gallardo
2.26 4.76 9.88 4.54 14.95 bmw m6
1.97 4.29 8.66 4.42 13.80 z06 corvette
1.3 3.6 8.00 4.25 12.5 porsche 997 turbo
1.4 2.8 5.5 3.4 9.9 bugatti veyron
1.61 3.3 5.6 5.1 10.7 suzuki gsx-r1000
I am only going to post this one test, but as you probably all know, this and other are here on the 997 TT section. Not only is the 997TT beating out the z06, by a good amount too. the only ones that can outdo it are the beast 1001 hp bugatti and the gsx. it beats out all the others. I drive a Porsche so I stick to the Porsche forums, I dont go everywhere else trying to stir the pot if you will (hint hint).
0-30 0-60 0-100 100-0 total time
1.64 4.12 8.82 4.2 13.65 o6 model gallardo
2.26 4.76 9.88 4.54 14.95 bmw m6
1.97 4.29 8.66 4.42 13.80 z06 corvette
1.3 3.6 8.00 4.25 12.5 porsche 997 turbo
1.4 2.8 5.5 3.4 9.9 bugatti veyron
1.61 3.3 5.6 5.1 10.7 suzuki gsx-r1000
I am only going to post this one test, but as you probably all know, this and other are here on the 997 TT section. Not only is the 997TT beating out the z06, by a good amount too. the only ones that can outdo it are the beast 1001 hp bugatti and the gsx. it beats out all the others. I drive a Porsche so I stick to the Porsche forums, I dont go everywhere else trying to stir the pot if you will (hint hint).
You say I am stirring the pot! WHERE, PLEASE show me where? I came on here stating a race, AND THAT IS IT. I started to "Stir the pot" ONLY after some brand loyalists started to bash the Z06 SOLELY due to its brand. REREAD THE THREAD!!!
#177
Nobody ever answered if the car had the sport chrono option or not. Also, this is just one test with a barely broken in manual 997tt that could've had some sucky driver. It's not the final verdict. I'm sure we'll be getting some "tip 997tt smoked a new z06" threads within the next month as well.
#178
I find it quite amusing that now that they have finally built a Corvette that can perform, they just have to compare it to the benchmark (Porsche). "If it's faster than a Porsche, then it must be good." Think of all of those other models that were absolute buckets of junk. The C4 and C5. Until the C6 and only the Z06, I wouldn't take a second look at a Corvette.
Now they have something to brag about, and they are doing it. If it makes them feel better about their choice of cars, so be it. Until now, I never heard a word about how great the Corvette was, because as I said before, it was absolute garbage. Yes, the new Z is fast, but time will only tell with regard to reliability.
Congratulations on building a car you can be proud of, for now. For me, nothing can beat a Gt2 with a 700 hp kit. And I don't mean that in merely a speed sense. I mean that personally, that is my dream machine. That will soon be my fate and I think I'll be happy. If the C6Z makes you happy, great.
Now they have something to brag about, and they are doing it. If it makes them feel better about their choice of cars, so be it. Until now, I never heard a word about how great the Corvette was, because as I said before, it was absolute garbage. Yes, the new Z is fast, but time will only tell with regard to reliability.
Congratulations on building a car you can be proud of, for now. For me, nothing can beat a Gt2 with a 700 hp kit. And I don't mean that in merely a speed sense. I mean that personally, that is my dream machine. That will soon be my fate and I think I'll be happy. If the C6Z makes you happy, great.
#179
Originally Posted by SCvet00
You kidding, right? Z06 vs. 997TT has been talked about forever. This was actually the first time that it was physically going to happen in a race, so I thought I would post up and get some opinions. What happens next? People start to bash the Z06 due to its brand. Give me f'ing break. Go back and find out for yourself who started this garabge. I didn't post "What brand of car would you rather have and why", rather, I asked opinions about a race between two fast cars.
I came here solely to announce a race and get some opinions from other car enthusiasts. I ONLY started to act and say what I said AFTER people started going off on a tangent and bashing the Z06 becuase of its brand. Sure, I thought the Z06 was going to win even before the race, but what does my thinking of the outcome have to do with people acting the way they did??? Please, go reread the thread and you tell me who started bashing first!!!
I came here solely to announce a race and get some opinions from other car enthusiasts. I ONLY started to act and say what I said AFTER people started going off on a tangent and bashing the Z06 becuase of its brand. Sure, I thought the Z06 was going to win even before the race, but what does my thinking of the outcome have to do with people acting the way they did??? Please, go reread the thread and you tell me who started bashing first!!!
Last edited by ZLP; 07-04-2006 at 10:06 PM.
#180
Originally Posted by ZLP
Most people already knew the outcome like you already admitted yet you still are the one who started this topic. Go re-read the definition of a troll I posted....