Corvette Z06 beats Porsche 997 Turbo around a track
#46
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
A GT3 will run much better and much stronger over a long period of time. Its been proven time and time again that when Porsche does the 24 hr 'ring' tests.
#47
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
Could you imagine what Porsche could do with an 8.0 ltr engine, probably about 1000 hp with their expertise and tuning (NA mind you).
I always feel that the american motors are 'loose'. they stuff this huge displacement engine in and put out nothing compared to what the germans do. 500 hp for the vetter and 500 hp for the m5. except that the m5 lacks those extra 3.0 ltrs of displacement, hmmm... .
I always feel that the american motors are 'loose'. they stuff this huge displacement engine in and put out nothing compared to what the germans do. 500 hp for the vetter and 500 hp for the m5. except that the m5 lacks those extra 3.0 ltrs of displacement, hmmm... .
So, tell me... 5.0L BMW V10 vs. 7.0L Chevrolet V8:
Which gets better fuel economy (no cheating with M5 motor in P400)?
Which motor is more compact?
Which motor produces more torque?
Which motor weighs less?
Which motor responds better to MODZ?
Which motor costs less, and by how much?
Which motor is simpler and thus more durable/easier to maintain?
EDIT: standard disclaimer - I have never owned a Chevrolet in my life, but I have owned several Porsches and my current daily driver has a 3.6L twin turbo flat six. Don't even think about calling me a Z06 or Chevy guy. Gracias.
Last edited by justdumb; 10-16-2006 at 04:46 PM.
#48
Originally Posted by C4S Surgeon
Don't be so arrogant guys the vette is a fine car, and a hell of a lot cheaper than any TT. The engine is also a SUPERIOR platform for racing than any european engine. Having said that, I'm still getting a TT, I think it an overall better car, it had better be for the $$.
I'm still getting a TT because it's the better car for me, if I had the garage space I would get a Z06 and a GT3 to complete the trifecta.
#49
Originally Posted by C4S Surgeon
The standard nextel cup motor, based on the std small block chevrolet motor, makes in excess of 850hp with a restrictor plate/ 4 barrel carb setup. It will run 600miles + on a superspeedway at WOT at about 8,000 RPM for hours, I don't think any GT3 engine could do that with any degree of reliability. The porsche H6/flat 6 GT1 is a great platform, but not better than the SBC V8 as far as endurance racing goes.
You can't really compare forced induction to NA motors, but the GT1/GT3 NA vs SBC is a fair comparison, just look at what the covettes do in petite lemans, the p cars can't even run in the same class. I love p cars, but as far as racing engines go, I know which is better.
You can't really compare forced induction to NA motors, but the GT1/GT3 NA vs SBC is a fair comparison, just look at what the covettes do in petite lemans, the p cars can't even run in the same class. I love p cars, but as far as racing engines go, I know which is better.
#52
Re:
One of the biggest knocks on the m3, m5 and GT3 small displacement, high reviving, high horsepower engines is that there is no torque. Sure the power is great at the 7-8K rpm range, but I think most people prefer the bigger displacement or force induction engines for street driving. Plus they respond much better to mods.
The chevy 7.0 liter engine weighs 458 pounds and the bmw 5.0 liter comes in at 529 pounds. Ever try squeezing an extra 50 horsepower from an bmw engine? Not an easy task.
The chevy 7.0 liter engine weighs 458 pounds and the bmw 5.0 liter comes in at 529 pounds. Ever try squeezing an extra 50 horsepower from an bmw engine? Not an easy task.
Last edited by SG333; 10-16-2006 at 05:24 PM.
#53
Re:
Originally Posted by Gabriel
I am sure no more than 2% of the people who buy 997TT's care whether the Z06 is faster around the track.
#54
Originally Posted by F**K
Oh boy.
So, tell me... 5.0L BMW V10 vs. 7.0L Chevrolet V8:
Which gets better fuel economy (no cheating with M5 motor in P400)?
Which motor is more compact?
Which motor produces more torque?
Which motor weighs less?
Which motor responds better to MODZ?
Which motor costs less, and by how much?
Which motor is simpler and thus more durable/easier to maintain?
EDIT: standard disclaimer - I have never owned a Chevrolet in my life, but I have owned several Porsches and my current daily driver has a 3.6L twin turbo flat six. Don't even think about calling me a Z06 or Chevy guy. Gracias.
So, tell me... 5.0L BMW V10 vs. 7.0L Chevrolet V8:
Which gets better fuel economy (no cheating with M5 motor in P400)?
Which motor is more compact?
Which motor produces more torque?
Which motor weighs less?
Which motor responds better to MODZ?
Which motor costs less, and by how much?
Which motor is simpler and thus more durable/easier to maintain?
EDIT: standard disclaimer - I have never owned a Chevrolet in my life, but I have owned several Porsches and my current daily driver has a 3.6L twin turbo flat six. Don't even think about calling me a Z06 or Chevy guy. Gracias.
The maximum output a thermodynamic engine can achieve is about 0.4. (work produced/energy consumed). The average observed efficiency for otto engines is 32%. I would really like to see someone put both on a bench dyno, calculate the work they produce in an hour of variable RPM's and give us his results.
Still I think it is pretty easy to see 5mpg in the Corvette although it's ligher and has less transmission loss than the 997TT.
Though, I think it is stupid to say which is the most fuel efficient when we are talking about cars that cost 70k or more in the first place.
THey both do a job equally well. In a different way. It's like trying to get in a glass house. You can either cut the glass with a diamond or just throw a stone to it...
#55
Originally Posted by DJ996
Dude are you trying to say a GT3 street engine will run better and stronger than a Nextel Cup motor??
compare a race gt3, gt2, gt1, RS spyder to a race z06 and there is hands down goes to Porsche again. Porsche has been doing this for such a long time and has the MOST race victories i believe in history, theres a reason for that.
#56
Originally Posted by F**K
Oh boy.
So, tell me... 5.0L BMW V10 vs. 7.0L Chevrolet V8:
Which gets better fuel economy (no cheating with M5 motor in P400)?
Which motor is more compact?
Which motor produces more torque?
Which motor weighs less?
Which motor responds better to MODZ?
Which motor costs less, and by how much?
Which motor is simpler and thus more durable/easier to maintain?
EDIT: standard disclaimer - I have never owned a Chevrolet in my life, but I have owned several Porsches and my current daily driver has a 3.6L twin turbo flat six. Don't even think about calling me a Z06 or Chevy guy. Gracias.
So, tell me... 5.0L BMW V10 vs. 7.0L Chevrolet V8:
Which gets better fuel economy (no cheating with M5 motor in P400)?
Which motor is more compact?
Which motor produces more torque?
Which motor weighs less?
Which motor responds better to MODZ?
Which motor costs less, and by how much?
Which motor is simpler and thus more durable/easier to maintain?
EDIT: standard disclaimer - I have never owned a Chevrolet in my life, but I have owned several Porsches and my current daily driver has a 3.6L twin turbo flat six. Don't even think about calling me a Z06 or Chevy guy. Gracias.
#57
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
You know what, sucks for the vette when the nissan GT-R comes out because that is going to be hands down the BEST in all the catagories you just mentioned above when comparing the two. 5K in mods to that car, prob less than that too and that GT-R will be just as fast if not faster than the CGT, and enzo and the likes.
#58
Originally Posted by PorscheC4
You know what, sucks for the vette when the nissan GT-R comes out because that is going to be hands down the BEST in all the catagories you just mentioned above when comparing the two. 5K in mods to that car, prob less than that too and that GT-R will be just as fast if not faster than the CGT, and enzo and the likes.
But dude... the specs of the GT-R haven't even been announced yet. Quit talking out of your ***.
#59
Originally Posted by Gabriel
Isn't the 996TT with 6-7k as fast as the CGT in the first place (straight line only). WHo cares about value? It's like having two women to chose from and picking the one that cooks better...